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Old 07-17-2013, 02:43 PM
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Not sure Futaba equivalent but the elevator and rudder cutouts fit JR 8611/8411 or similar (full size). Wing takes JR3421 or 9411 (there are plates to fit both to choose from to install in the wing. The stock setup is 2 aileron servos on the bottom wing and a pushrod to move the top ailerons but the top wing does have a cutout under the covering if you want to use 4 aileron servos. I'm sure a Futaba guy can jump in and give the equivalent servo models.
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Old 07-17-2013, 06:46 PM
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Chris, does that mean you have Larry K. shackled to the workbench?
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Nah. I already have him shackled to the bench.
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Old 07-17-2013, 07:59 PM
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Futaba servos would be BLS352s in the tail. BLS551 or BLS153s in the wing. Anxious to see this thing up close this weekend.

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Old 07-18-2013, 05:40 AM
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We will have them at the nats for sale.
I'm bringing a couple as well as a lot of other models.
Last night Anna and I received a healthy BJ Craft shipment.
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Old 07-18-2013, 01:52 PM
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We will have them at the nats for sale.
I'm bringing a couple as well as a lot of other models.
Last night Anna and I received a healthy BJ Craft shipment.
Great to see the models are being stored as directed on the crate i.e. as per the arrow... :-(

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Old 07-18-2013, 04:11 PM
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Yeah, storing them on the nose of the box might explain why my Episode had "ripples" in the turtle deck from the rear of the canopy to the front of the Vertical Fin when I received it last December. One other FAI pilot in my district had the same problem, however, another flying buddy who received his, I believe in May of this year, did not have that issue. His glass work is beautiful without any ripples.
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Old 07-18-2013, 06:48 PM
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I am glad to see them in wooden crates, as opposed to plain old cardboard boxes. From some of the photos I've seen on these forums, it seems that BJ Craft used to package them like that. Can anyone confirm that?
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Old 07-18-2013, 07:38 PM
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I have always got a wood crate from them. Even when I got a regular set of wings, and also when I just got my canopy. Never had any issues.

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Old 07-18-2013, 07:42 PM
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They have been packing in wooden crates for quite some time. They suspend the fuse with a tube through the wing socket so it really makes no difference if you stack the crate vertically. There is no compression on the fuse since the nose would never rest on the crate. I know that they did change the glass layup from that used on the older models so extreme heat doesn't cause deformation. That is probably the wavy surface appearance that was discussed. The packing of the models is really well done. When I got my Episode last year the crate was damaged but there was not a scratch on the airframe.
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Old 07-19-2013, 03:17 AM
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The Monolog 2 meter was packed in a cardboard box until the newest ones arrived this week. Now it's in a wooden crate. They also upgraded the quality of the wood they use to make the crate.
Their packing is very well done and very compact. In comparison to the box the X-Treme planes come in it's about half the size.
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Old 07-19-2013, 05:27 AM
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Thanks Mike! It was the Monolog I had seen in the past in cardboard. Glad to see it now receives the same quality as their other planes.

See ya'll in Muncie next week,
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Old 07-19-2013, 05:40 AM
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No problem Kevin. Stop by and say hi. We are leaving in the morning tommorow.
I have a lot to pack up.
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... Last night Anna and I received a healthy BJ Craft shipment.
Hi Mike, when will the new stock go up on the F3AU site, for those of us not Nats bound? A friend is thinking about a contra-ready ARF, any Prologs in the container? Thx.

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http://www.f3aunlimited.com/webstore...dex&cPath=8_70
Dana we have a lot. ran out of Episode ARF's, Fantasista's and Contra version Prologs but we have a lot of new stuff.
The Bipe was flown tonight by Chris. Can't wipe the smile off of his face.
I like the looks of it myself.
He will have it flying at the Nats and I'll have them for site sales if anyone wants to save on the shipping costs. Thanks, Mike
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You guy's are running 4 ailerons servo? which one?
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Old 07-19-2013, 06:52 PM
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No two. 9411 JR. MIke
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Old 07-19-2013, 07:10 PM
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Thank you,
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Old 07-20-2013, 03:22 AM
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So spill the beans on the flight performance,..lol or send me a PM.

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Old 07-23-2013, 07:19 PM
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Hey Guys,

I just received a Bi Side bipe so that I can do another build thread. I thought I would start this one off a little differently. Since there has been some recent discussion regarding the shipping crates etc. I thought I would highlight the packaging job that BJ Craft does. I was really impressed by the packaging on this so we'll start off by showing the pics of packing.

First, the crate is pretty stout. The wood is indeed more sturdy than on the past crates. The crate is made of 5mm plywood, as opposed to 2.5mm plywood that was used on my Episode crate. It has 8mm doublers around all the edges and at the center. So, it's a pretty stout box.

As you can see in the attached pic, when you open the crate it is filled with shredded paper (masking leftovers from the paint shop). Once you remove this you see how neatly and tidy everything is tucked into the crate. All of the hardware items (wheel pants, CF tubing etc) is packed inside a cardboard frame which is used to secure the vertical fin of the fuse. There are some very heavy duty cross members at the top of the crate which are bolted in place from the outside.

When you remove the vertical fin support then you need to unbolt the fuse from its mounting bracket. The Fuse is secured by a support brace that runs through the landing gear mount and is then inserted into some ply disks. The disks are bolted to the side of the crate, but they are free to slide on the cross brace slightly. Pretty clever.

After you unbolt the fuselage brace then everything lifts out of the crate in one piece. The wings are lightly taped to the fuse to hold them in place. Everything is wrapped in protective foam and the parts are all individually wrapped in sealed plastic bags.

I am letting is sit overnight before I unwrap it because I don't want to shock it too severely. I am not joking. It just came from one of the most humid places on earth and is now in a really dry climate. I figure its best to let it acclimate a bit. I can wait a day.



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I should add that it looks very, very different than the original prototype that I flew back in May. He has been a very busy man!

Notable differences:
- Completely different wing design. This is a much smaller wing than the protoype. B.J. mentioned that he was reducing the wing area because the protoype had too much lift. This is a far smaller wing and should really do well. In addition to being smaller in area he has changed the DTFS wing planform design. I think the tip shape is much less drastic than on the original. I think the TE has more of a forward sweep as well.
- The top wing has negative dihedral (anhedral) whereas this was not the case in the prototype.
- The vertical fin and rudder are noticeably larger, this will be good for additional yaw stability
- The spinner is larger than on the Nuance and Episode. I think it is sized for a 3" spinner, but I didn't measure it exactly.

My first impressions, even looking at it through a plastic bag, is that the colors really pop. I'll post more pics later for all you guys that didn't get to see it at the NATS.
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Old 07-24-2013, 05:57 AM
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Looking good, I hope to see more pictures of your build. Also could you please post weights of components. Last what are your opinions on the moving stab?





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I'll post all of the weights along with more pics. It might not be till later next week since I have to travel for the next several days. Bummer, since I am anxious to get going on this.

I flew the prototype with the flying stab. Since I only had a few flights it is a bit hard to say definitively but my impression was that it gave a more consistent feel when doing loops and loop segments. It had a very linear feel to it. By this I mean that it felt like I was doing much less elevator control variation throughout a loop than with a standard elevator.

I'm checking on servo setups for the Bi Side right now and trying to decide which elevator servo setup to use. I am also trying to decide which way to go on ailerons (two servos or four). I'll get all that narrowed down and then start the heavy lifting on the construction when I get back.
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What is the predicted weight of the production model?
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