Heng Long Abrams, Challenger 2 and T90 on "Battlefield Debris" course
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For those of you who have been following my for fun comparison testing of the Heng Long Abrams, Challenger 2 and T90 here is another additions. I took the "Ditch and Bomb Crater" course and enhanced its difficulty with steeper climbs, looser dirt, pits of deep charcoal ash, simulated walls with rebar and other interesting debris that might be found on a battlefield.
To review the Abrams, Challenger 2 and T90 all have faired well in past testing with the Challenger 2 showing the best overall performance even with its "handicap" of factory plastic tracts. It was followed closely by the T90 then Abrams which had issues with its long nose digging into the ditch wall sides and stopping forward progression.
On this round of testing I expected similar results but that did not happen. The difficulty enhancements made to the course caused minor problems to become big ones and thus each tank weakness showed bright. That is with the exception of the Abrams where its longer nose now became a benefit to overcoming obstacles. I have to add here that since the last testing the Abrams used (green one in pictures) during the preceding tests had some suspension modification and though I did run it in this test, these modifications did greatly effect it performance. I used another Abrams with stock suspension geometry and running the same motors, gearbox and track. This was done to keep the testing reasonably fair and similar to the last test between the three Heng Long model designs.
On this "Battlefield Debris" course the T90 in short failed miserably. Its low ground clearance, long barrel and lack of suspension flexibility caused it to get stuck repeatedly in ways it was not able to free itself and needed recovery help (see photos below). The Challenger 2 also got repeatedly stuck on the steeper climbs with looser dirt and on many of the obstacles due in large part to its front/rear tow hook and rear fuel drums get caught up, it too needed recovery help. I will say that the Challenger 2 issues with climbing and some of the obstacles was do to the plastic tracts just not gripping. I do not believe it would have had to be recovered as much had it been running the same track as both Abrams.
The primary Abrams for this test (tan one in photos) had issues with its low ground clearance (noted about the Abrams R/C model in the last testing) causing it to become high centered, but only needing to be recovered once. All other times it was able to recover itself by simply backing off the obstacle or terrain feature and reseting its approach angel. It had no other issues with any of the obstacles and made short work of the course. The longer nose that had been a issues actually helped it slide up and onto many of the obstacles were its metal/rubber padded track could then grip and pull the Abrams over and though.
The secondary Abrams for the test (green one in photos) had a modified suspension which provided for far greater suspension flexibility and just over 1/4" (~7MM) of additional ground clearance. This made for a tank that was unstoppable. It had no issues with any obstacle or terrain feature and was just a "HOOT" to drive.
As always feel free to add any constructive input or ask questions.
Below are some of the highlight photos from the tests. More photos will follow shortly, hope you enjoy them:![](https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rcuniverse.com-vbulletin/2000x1504/img_7546_2c0a0c5568c8594720385637b6ec8d5f9a4f9ed3.jpg)
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Above T90 getting stuck on burned out tank.
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Above Challenger 2
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To review the Abrams, Challenger 2 and T90 all have faired well in past testing with the Challenger 2 showing the best overall performance even with its "handicap" of factory plastic tracts. It was followed closely by the T90 then Abrams which had issues with its long nose digging into the ditch wall sides and stopping forward progression.
On this round of testing I expected similar results but that did not happen. The difficulty enhancements made to the course caused minor problems to become big ones and thus each tank weakness showed bright. That is with the exception of the Abrams where its longer nose now became a benefit to overcoming obstacles. I have to add here that since the last testing the Abrams used (green one in pictures) during the preceding tests had some suspension modification and though I did run it in this test, these modifications did greatly effect it performance. I used another Abrams with stock suspension geometry and running the same motors, gearbox and track. This was done to keep the testing reasonably fair and similar to the last test between the three Heng Long model designs.
On this "Battlefield Debris" course the T90 in short failed miserably. Its low ground clearance, long barrel and lack of suspension flexibility caused it to get stuck repeatedly in ways it was not able to free itself and needed recovery help (see photos below). The Challenger 2 also got repeatedly stuck on the steeper climbs with looser dirt and on many of the obstacles due in large part to its front/rear tow hook and rear fuel drums get caught up, it too needed recovery help. I will say that the Challenger 2 issues with climbing and some of the obstacles was do to the plastic tracts just not gripping. I do not believe it would have had to be recovered as much had it been running the same track as both Abrams.
The primary Abrams for this test (tan one in photos) had issues with its low ground clearance (noted about the Abrams R/C model in the last testing) causing it to become high centered, but only needing to be recovered once. All other times it was able to recover itself by simply backing off the obstacle or terrain feature and reseting its approach angel. It had no other issues with any of the obstacles and made short work of the course. The longer nose that had been a issues actually helped it slide up and onto many of the obstacles were its metal/rubber padded track could then grip and pull the Abrams over and though.
The secondary Abrams for the test (green one in photos) had a modified suspension which provided for far greater suspension flexibility and just over 1/4" (~7MM) of additional ground clearance. This made for a tank that was unstoppable. It had no issues with any obstacle or terrain feature and was just a "HOOT" to drive.
As always feel free to add any constructive input or ask questions.
Below are some of the highlight photos from the tests. More photos will follow shortly, hope you enjoy them:
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Above T90 getting stuck on burned out tank.
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Above Challenger 2
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Last edited by Fsttanks; 04-11-2018 at 05:21 PM.
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Additional photos of the Heng Long T90 on the "Battlefield" test course:
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Above Heng Long T90 getting its barrel stuck in the side of a ditch
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Above T90 barrel getting stuck on rebar as it attempts to simply drive past and T90 climbing first obstacle of the day.
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Above Heng Long T90 high centered on drain pipe. One of many times it had to be recovered.![](https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rcuniverse.com-vbulletin/2000x1504/img_7482_0077acd739076d26a9bc05a36ec5efa8ba283b2c.jpg)
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Heng Long T90. My favorite photo from its testing session. By the way it was high centered and could not move forward. It was able to back out of this one.
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Above Heng Long T90 getting its barrel stuck in the side of a ditch
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Above T90 barrel getting stuck on rebar as it attempts to simply drive past and T90 climbing first obstacle of the day.
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Above Heng Long T90 high centered on drain pipe. One of many times it had to be recovered.
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Heng Long T90. My favorite photo from its testing session. By the way it was high centered and could not move forward. It was able to back out of this one.
Last edited by Fsttanks; 04-11-2018 at 03:01 PM.
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Additional photos of the Heng Long Challenger 2 on "Battlefield" test course:![](https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rcuniverse.com-vbulletin/2000x957/img_7570_d9c511d561651ee6d40c8cc1d8241ef1353e0cd6.jpg)
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Above stuck on burned out tank.
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Above Challenger 2 stuck crossing ditch and needed recovery. Fuel drums causing the issues.
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Above crossing concert & rebar wall
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Above one of my favorite photos of the Challenger 2 on a tiered wall & rebar obstacle climb. It was stuck on some "rebar" and needed to be recovered.
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Above stuck on burned out tank.
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Above Challenger 2 stuck crossing ditch and needed recovery. Fuel drums causing the issues.
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Above crossing concert & rebar wall
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Above one of my favorite photos of the Challenger 2 on a tiered wall & rebar obstacle climb. It was stuck on some "rebar" and needed to be recovered.
Last edited by Fsttanks; 04-11-2018 at 03:02 PM.
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Haha to be fair, I don't usually see tanks driving ON TOP OF TANKS, of course they would get stuck on em, except for WoT haha. But that is a cool obstacle course without a doubt, tho I think a driving over a burned out car would have been more realistic for a tank to drive over on an obstacle course. Very impressed by the suspension on the green Abrams, looks sick, just wowed by the pic of it in action. You should record the tanks in action on the courses tho and upload on YouTube, I would love to watch it. Just my opinion. (:
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Haha to be fair, I don't usually see tanks driving ON TOP OF TANKS, of course they would get stuck on em, except for WoT haha. But that is a cool obstacle course without a doubt, tho I think a driving over a burned out car would have been more realistic for a tank to drive over on an obstacle course. Very impressed by the suspension on the green Abrams, looks sick, just wowed by the pic of it in action. You should record the tanks in action on the courses tho and upload on YouTube, I would love to watch it. Just my opinion. (:
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Fair point (: shame about people not being interested more in the modern tanks, I personally love all era of tanks. I hope there will be a T-14 Armata 1/16 rc in the near future, magnificent looking beast to me, I saw your other posts too of prior testing.
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I like modern tanks! I like all tanks. I too have an outside area where I "test" my tanks.
I have an Abrams, and I like the duffel bags riding in the stowage basket on your green Abrams. Where did you get them?
Please post some movies of yours in action. I have some movies of modern and WW2 tanks posted on my tank web page. Click link below.
I have an Abrams, and I like the duffel bags riding in the stowage basket on your green Abrams. Where did you get them?
Please post some movies of yours in action. I have some movies of modern and WW2 tanks posted on my tank web page. Click link below.
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I like modern tanks! I like all tanks. I too have an outside area where I "test" my tanks.
I have an Abrams, and I like the duffel bags riding in the stowage basket on your green Abrams. Where did you get them?
Please post some movies of yours in action. I have some movies of modern and WW2 tanks posted on my tank web page. Click link below.
I have an Abrams, and I like the duffel bags riding in the stowage basket on your green Abrams. Where did you get them?
Please post some movies of yours in action. I have some movies of modern and WW2 tanks posted on my tank web page. Click link below.
My videos are raw footage more intended to capture screen shots and would need editing before I could post them. This would take more time than I have right now. But maybe in a few months when my work load lightens up.
I took a look at your web page and enjoyed the videos of your tank playground. I would be too tempted to leave the roads and drive cross country through some of the brush over and down rocks to give the suspension and tracks a workout. It would be fun.
Last edited by Fsttanks; 04-13-2018 at 10:13 PM.
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Off road driving is not the only challenge at Tankland...
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Started work on Part 3 of the test course “Step Climbs and Rock Garden”. This is the first obstacle built and it is designed to punish the suspension system. Shown here with one of my Abrams being used to cover the structure so as to not give away the excitement of seeing in use during the review write up. This obstacle is designed to be attempted from each compass point (at 45degree increments N NW W SW...). Yes I did drive the Abrams onto but not completely over and throw the obstacles,did it for photos and it was in the expected easy directions N to S. The drop in front of the tank is over 6” and did not want to chance another tank needing repairs this week.
Going to be a week or so before testing starts as both the Challenger 2 and T90 are down needing repairs. Challenger needs new road wheels and suspension arms both are badly worn out and the T90 has a broken sprocket that was repaired but I do not want to push it hard.
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I have Abrams track set ups for both. They are far different performing tanks when running the metal/rubber padded “Abrams/Leopard” track. With plastic track about equal. The T90 though can achieve close to the same grip performance as the “Abrams/Leopard” track if the plastic or metal track is modified with the addition of silicon pads added to the links. This also has the benefit of retaining lighter weight and a higher top speed. The T90 in the testing has plastic track with the silicon pad modification.
Sorry that is the shortest I could make the answer and cover the Yes an No of it all.