grumpE

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Anyone out there flying the Breitling Cap 232 ARF from Kangke?

It is older, fromt he post search I did it looks to have been around for a substantial lemgth of time as ARFs go. Anyway, picked one up at an auction for next to nothing. Trying to pick my gear now. Thinking 100 to 120 four stroke, of course there is the new, oh so pretty, Saito 125 coming too. It is a 62 in wing, 54.5 inches long and just guessing from the empty weight it will be around 8.5 to 9 lbs when I get my radio gear and an engine in it.

Would be most appreciative of any experiences you may have had with this bird and engines you used.

Thanks a bunch folks.

Eric

WHIP

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I'm on my second one now flew the crap out of the first one GREAT PLANE! I run a O/S 1.08 in it, snap rolls are wicked! Build and enjoy.

Fly safe, BILL

grumpE

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Well, just picked up a peach of a deal on a magnum 120 four stroke. oops

Actually, how did yours balance with the 108? I have read they can get tail heavy so was hoping to limit the lead I would need anyway.

Eric

rgus55

On Second one , first one I put a saito 100 in and pulled out due to cg tail heavy big time, put a 120 saito in no problem. also put in a pull pull rudder system. the push rods are not my cup of tea. elva system have 225 hitec (2) larger fuel tank.

grumpE

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Cool. Am thinking standard BB servos on the ailerons and maybe Hitec 625 on the rudder and elevaters. Will likely go 4.8v as I have a mountain of packs lying around.

Eric

snowmaker

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I have the Kangke Breitling Cap 60 with a Saito 1.20 and a 15 x 6-10 prop. The plane is very very fast with this combination. The snap rolls are incredible and the plane handles very easily. I had a Moki 1.35 with a 16 x 8 prop in it, but the torque would make the plane turn without input and anytime you added power. also the plane would also shoot up without elevator imput on take off with no elevator (scary as hell).. . . even after adding considerable downthrust. That 1.35 was wayyyyy tooo much power. The 1.20 four stroke is the best engine/weight/power/balance. It can even do limited 3D with extreme throws (not too slow though...it is still a CAP!).
Robert

grumpE

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I have the magnum 120 mounted as well as most of the electronics. Picked up a 6v pack to speed up the slower Hitec 625 servos. Hope to button her all up soon and be ready for a break with regard to weather and time.

Robert, what is your all up weight? I am guessing my speed will be less as the Magnum is not the same as a Saito. Will likely prop down from where you are. No plans to 3D. My flying is solid in a sport plane and I have a cheap entry 90 size pattern plane too. My goal is nice smooth traditional aerobatics. The Cap was just too cheap to pass up at our auction.

Eric

WHIP

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My cap balanced very well with the 1.08, but I did leave it a little tail heavy not much, for my flying style it works!

BILL,

grayle

How much is cheap? I picked one up at our local auction 2 weeks ago for $70 new in the box! To me that's pretty cheap. I was planning on a 1.00 saito, but now from reading this post, it doesn't seem heavy enough. I have $200 to spend at hobbytown, but they don't carry magnums, I'll just have to save some more money!!

grumpE

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Wow you beat me by $5. I picked up the Mag 120 from a jet flyer in my area who was cleaning house. Had a flight pack from a retired plane (tree than ground). I replaced the 4.8v pack with a 6v to speed up the Hitec 625's on the rudder and elevator.

The plane plus engine plus new engine mount was right at $200. The new battery pack was something like $24 I think.

Either way you got a smokin deal as Kangke still sells them for $240.

I also recycled a spinner so saved some there.

What are you putting in it?

Eric

grumpE

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Sorry just re-read your post and saw the Saito 100 portion. Maybe put it together and mock it up with the Saito and put a 6 v pack under the tank by the firewall. There is a ton of room in the fuse to adjust placement of equipment. Toss the wheels and use heavy dubro rubber ones.

If you are strapped for cash I bet you can cook up a solution with that Saito. They sure are pretty enough for the trouble in my book.

Just a thought.

Eric

grayle

$75 is a great price too. My stock wheels were pretty out of round, so I just stole my wheels from my eagle 2(which has skis on it right now) and used those. They are 2.75 sullivan wheels. They seem a lot better the then stock ones. I also plan on using sullivan metal control horns, the stock ones are cheap cast aluminum and bend very easily. I think I'm going to plan on the Saito. The local Hobbytown has the 1.00 for $279.99 which isn't bad. Just need to save up $80.00. Also been practicing on the simulator. Can't wait for spring!! Grayle

grayle

I just purchased the Saito 100 and don't really like how it fits on the Kangke mount.(Too much slop between the sides and the straps that go over the engine won't keep it in place) What have you guys been using for mounts? The centerline seemed to be a little off to, too much to the right looking from the front realizing there is right thrust built into the firewall. Also with the Saito 100 are you able to get it to fit in the cowl without cutting for the rocker covers? I think I'm just going to bend the mount a for a more snug fit and drill and tap some 8-32 holes for more positive retention. Grayle

grumpE

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Yes there is right thrust. A fair bit too.

I would not bend the mount to keep the rocker covers inside the cowl. You would be altering the built in thrust angles that were designed maximise flight characteristics. My Magnum 120 hangs out quite abit. Being at the upper end of the recommended engine range I guess I just accepted the need to have some head sticking out. I went with a GP aftermarket mount as the original was drilled and tapped for a two stroke and then another four stroke before I got her. Figured one more set of holes would be bad.

Check the Kangke website. The directions for one of the newer ARFs details offseting the mount by something like 1/8-1/4 each I think to account for the right thrust and keep the Spinner/cowl more square to the fuse. This may keep the rockers inside the cowl while not adversely affecting the set up. Can not recall which ARF it was but I think it was the Cap 232 120.

Just my $0.02

Eric

grumpE

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Of course you could also re-drill your engine mount holes and have the saito at an angle. The cowl is quite large and I bet you could stuff it in that way. Avoid inverting unless you are good at adjusting tank levels to meet the requirements of your carb. I have a Saito 91 inverted in a cheapo pattern plane and had to adjust a lot of stuff to keep it from syphoning (sp) when not running.

This could be your answer.

Others have ideas?

Eric

grayle

Grumpe: Hi, I didn't bend the mount to keep the covers in the cowl, I bent the two "forks" together to put less gap between the crankcase side and the mount. Then I drilled and tapped #8-32s and mounted my engine sideways with the exhaust pointing down. The centerline of the engine was a 1/4 to the right looking at the engine, so I made some spacers out of aluminum, now its right on. Yes I did have to cut the cowl to, to allow the valve covers to protrude which looks pretty good actually. 2 questions: With the saito on its side the lever for the carb is pretty close to the top of the firewall, how did you hook up the throttle pushrod and What yellow paint did you use for the wheel pants?

grumpE

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Sorry I must have misunderstood. Happens a lot these days....


There is a locking screw that you can loosen to change the position of the throttle arm in relation to the throttle body. I had to move the one on my Magnum almost 45 degrees.

Here is a snap out of my OS 70 Surpass manual that shows what I mean. Just loosen that hex nut a bit, rotate the arm and retighten. Make sure you can get full opening of the throttle and full closing of the throttle without obstruction of the arm movement arc. Mark the firewall and drill a hole for your throttle cable.

Lets us know how it works out.

eric

grayle

Hi, Thanks for the tip. My throttle servo isn't in-line with the throttle lever on the carb is what I meant. I forget, is the throttle pushrod a cable or is it a solid rod? If its a cable it shouldn't be a problem. So what about the yellow paint?

grumpE

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I used a solid piece of music wire. I flipped the Magnum carb to line up with the servo. Is the Saito 100 carb reversable? That might make your life easier.

A cable could work too. My spats were already painted (she was assembled and flown before I bought her). Check Kangke's website for what type of covering they use. Match the paint to the manufacturere. I have some Ultracote yellow and it looks pretty darn close. Close enough that if you can't get an answer from Kangke I think it would be a good approximation.

Eric

grayle

Thanks for the replies. I actually looked at turning the carb 180 and came to rcuniverse to see if anyone else did that. People here said that they have and it works just fine. Flipping the carb 180 degrees works out perfectly because the needle valve is now pointing up and the carb throttle lever is near the middle (up&down) of the firewall. As far as the paint, I believe the covering is ultacote, but the yellow on the cowl isn't the same shade of yellow used for the covering. I'll just get something fuel resistant and "close enough" Thanks again!!

grayle

What spinner are you using on your setup?

grayle

Well thanks for the response grumpE! I bought a 2 3/4 tru turn spinner and it works and looks great!! Just starting to break in the Saito now....

snowmaker

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Hi...sorry for the delay. The all up weight for my plane is just short of nine pounds. That Magnum will be plenty of power for this plane. I usually fly it at half throttle. . .

Iflyglow

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I just picked one up today for $75.00 at our club swap meet. I am thinking of a Tower .75 for sport flying.

Iflyglow

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Someone has to be flying these.