JetKing340

Hi guys I'm curious as to what type of fuel filler pumps do you use to fill your Jet A-1 / Kerosene into gas containers... Also another question, what type fo containers do you use to hold kero? Can you use normal Gas containers? ( Red ones or do you need the blue ones ? )

Just making sure I buy the right things, the first time....

Helimanik

DocYates

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Do yourself a favor and order the Jersey modeler fuel system which comes in the blue can with closed fuel system. It works great. Youalso could get the one from BVM which come with a filter funnel as weel. Either one appears to be very popular at the jet flight line and mine has worked for two seasons with no probelms.
Good luck
Tommy

Gary Arthur

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Todd at Dreamworks sells a nice pump if you wish to make up your own tank set-up.

Gordon Mc

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I used to use the Kavan pump, but had leakage problems so I switched to this one http://www.tamjets.com/original/prod...products_id=28 - available from numerous suppliers, or direct from Greylor.

The Jersey modeler is a neat setup, but I just couldn't bring myself to spend that kinda dough on something I could so easily throw together myself ... fuel pump for about $50, RC-car battery pack from Tower for about $10, a two-way switch from a hardware store for about $4, and a fuel container from Ace Hardware for about $15, a cheap car fuel filter, a few feet of Tygon fuel tubing and a teaspoonful of Goop to attach the components to the can, and hey Presto - all done for less than $100 and about an hour's work.

Gordon

Shok

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I made my own from parts at radio shack and a sig pump available at Tower for 35 bucks.
Total cost was around $80

rorywquin

Switch and box from Radio Shack. Filter from a car parts shop. Can from a Garden Center. Kavan pump (you must secure your tubing with tie wire on the suction and pressure side of the pump or it will leak - otherwise it is a fine pump). Spare 10 cell battery that I had lying about - cost less than $50-00. Why spend $200 plus to do the same thing? I really like the Jersey modeller unit but it is very expensive.

The pump they use c/w speed regulator etc is available from Orbit Electronic in Germany for about $80 if you really need one.

Topgun2mo

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This is mine that I buillt:

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=3778331

afterburner

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Kind of on the same subject, I've seen it recommended to have a seperate 5 gal container just to do the mixing and another for fueling. Is this what most of you guys do? Also, how long can you let kero or jet A sit in the blue container before you wouldn't consider using it in your turbines? Thanks.

Marty

Wayne22

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A buddy of mine collected the parts and built a few of these. Some neat features are a low profile kerosene jug, a one way filter system, a cnc machined cap for the jug, and the electics are on the far side of the fill spout, so they are not going to get a shower if you happen to spill a bit of kerosene while refilling. My fueler sits very neatly inside a Stanley rolling tool box....

JetKing340

Wow - I use the same fuel container right now - or I will be LOL - I bought a low profile Kero fuel jug , and I've seen that box at the Home Depot - seems like a real nice and clean configuration.... My hatchback is getting really full now between a field box, Yellow F-18 single and carrying tray / and now this fuel system box / and an air compressor / inverter - this sucker is getting to be a real car space hog! LOL - I need a trailer bad...

Can you use a normal GAS fuel wind up type fuel pump from Hanger 9 for Jet A or kero? I have an extra brand new one right here...

Thx guys,

Helimanik

Dave03B

I went for the Jersey Modeler system because it's quality and comes ready to fuel.....

erapoza

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I just got done building mine. I got the pump from Tam and the switches from Radio Shack.

Edgar Perez

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Ed,

How did you attached the battery box to the fuel can? glue?

Gordon Mc

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I've found that the best way to attach stuff to this kind of can, is with Goop. To aid the grip I rough sand the plastic first, even put some scores in it with a Stanley knife, then just slap on the Goop and let it set overnight.

erapoza

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Hi Edgar,
I sanded the front of the can like Gordon said. then I used epoxy to attach velcro to the can and the box. It is amazingly strong and I can remove it if I need to.

Also I have since added a in-line fuel filter to the setup.

GoeKeli

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Nony, I can't seem to find this case anywhere. Do you have a product number? Very nice setup!~)

Joe

rcguy!

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Here's my version of a fueling/air station:

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_26...tm.htm#2677906

I wonder how the 24VDC Graylor pump would work right off the 12V battery instead of dropping the voltage to the 12VDC one?

Hmmm...

Dave

joeflyer

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Dave,
All my equipment runs on 12v. I find it convenient to plug into my 12v. supply instead of having a separate battery on my fuel can. My Sig pump is acting up after one season of use. I'm considering replacing it with the 24 v. Greylor pump. From the flow data on Greylor's web site it should be equivalent to what most guys are using.

The flow appears to be directly proportional to the voltage. So their 12 v. pump at 7.2 v and 0 psi delivers about 7.2/12 X 78 = 46.8 oz/min. The 24 v. pump at 12 v. and 0 psi. delivers 46 oz./min. The 46 oz/min will probably be reduced a little depending on the length and diameter of the lines to and from the pump. It could be further reduced by adding a restrictor to the pump, or going with small diameter lines on the fuel can.

Around 40 oz/min seems about right for me. It would allow me to fill my one plane (64 oz.) in about 1 1/2 minutes, and the other (78 oz.) in about 2 minutes. I'll probably be ordering a 24 v. pump soon. I won't be needing it until I start flying again in a few months. If you decide to try it in the meantime please post your results and I will do the same.

Joe

rcguy!

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Joe,
Great post! My 12VDC pump is working fine at the moment. It seems plausible to run the 24VDC pump on 12VDC.

Dave

afterburner

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Dave,
What size battery are you using for your Greylor pump? Thanks.

Marty

BlackCloud

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I have been using the 12V Greylor pumps and have been fine for a long time. Probably the same pump used on the Jersey tanks. The pump is available at mcmaster.com part # 8220K32 Delrin Miniature Gear Pump 12 VDC 51.79 EA and usually about $5 for their shipments but then I am not to far so maybe a little more. Ships same day usually until 6pm ET.
The reason the others are using less voltage is so their tanks don't overpressurize in the plane. Just make sure the vent is open. I have never had a problem including BVM UATs.

r3bldr

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I've also made my own fuelling rig using the Greylor pump. You can purchase it straight from them www.greylor.com for $47.10 plus shipping. I'm powering it with an old 2 series li-poly pack that used to be in an electric heli, just because I had it lying around. I can't see spending money on something new when I already have something at hand that'll work just fine. It's equivelent to a 7 cell Nicad pack, about 8 volts, and fills my AV8R in less than 90 seconds. The pump is rated at 12 volts DC but you don't need that much for satisfactory results.

afterburner

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Thanks guys,
I have seen a thread or two on NOT mounting the pump on top of the battery/switch box as a fuel leak can lead to having a bad day[:@]. I have'nt seen anyones fueler with the pump mounted on the side of the box however. Is there a problem mounting the pump vertically or upside down on the bottom of the box?

I also have a couple of 2 cell lipos layin around although I didn't cosider them initially.

Marty

BlackCloud

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Thanks....even better to find it for less

joeflyer

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Dave (rcguy!),
I finally ordered a 24V Greylor pump and it arrived today. I mounted it on my fuel can and tried it plugged into my 12V battery. It worked fine, although it was a bit slower than I expected. It took exactly 2 minutes to fill my 64 oz. tank. When my Sig pump was working better it would fill in about 1 1/2 minutes and never expanded the tank. I'm sure this will work out fine for me.

Joe