Mid Air...need advise
09-07-2010, 12:53 PM
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RE: Mid Air...need advise
ORIGINAL: Charlie P.
Talk to the club safety officer. The board are generally clueless (I should know, I'm currently in my third term).
ORIGINAL: lablover
As far as not talking to a club officer...What if it was a club officer that hit me!! not saying it was but it might have been.
As far as not talking to a club officer...What if it was a club officer that hit me!! not saying it was but it might have been.
LMAO
I liked it so much, I gave you 5 points for it!
Hysterical!!!
09-07-2010, 12:55 PM
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ORIGINAL: Airplanes400
When you sue in court and win, you also get your attorney fees paid by the losing party. So, now ask the guy who was at fault, ''Do you want to pay me for the cost of the plane, or do you want to pay my attorney too?''
When you sue in court and win, you also get your attorney fees paid by the losing party. So, now ask the guy who was at fault, ''Do you want to pay me for the cost of the plane, or do you want to pay my attorney too?''
Unfortunately, we've become a litigious society, ready to sue anyone for anything at a moment's notice. This is why insurance rates on anything is ridiculous today. Just ask any Doctor.
09-07-2010, 01:08 PM
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Yes, with aerobatics on the downwind leg. Also, would be much more fun just having everyone fly all different ways without a care in the world.....Hey wait, don't real planes fly a pattern for a reason??????????
The reason for a pattern for full size is because they carry people. The pattern is to put airplanes at specific altitudes at places relative to the position from the runway. But even that is not set in stone, since you may enter the airport's airspace from multiple vectors.
We fly toys. Toys break. Get new toys.
09-07-2010, 02:08 PM
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RE: Mid Air...need advise
ORIGINAL: Airplanes400
If I was at fault, I WOULD pay for the other guys' plane ... no questions asked, and immediately. If someone says they never saw it coming, then they were not paying attention.
And just as in a head on collision with cars ... sue!! Make the guy who was at fault, pay for the damages. Then, LET HIM GET OVER IT.
If I was at fault, I WOULD pay for the other guys' plane ... no questions asked, and immediately. If someone says they never saw it coming, then they were not paying attention.
And just as in a head on collision with cars ... sue!! Make the guy who was at fault, pay for the damages. Then, LET HIM GET OVER IT.
09-07-2010, 02:13 PM
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Here we go.....I almost figured this was going to happen eventually. Those that helped thank you.
Can we let it rest now...It's starting to get...."Child Like"
Can we let it rest now...It's starting to get...."Child Like"
09-07-2010, 03:10 PM
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RE: Mid Air...need advise
ORIGINAL: Pilotsmoe
Well in my state, if someone gets in an accident it's no fault. Your own insurance pays for it. Are you really going to pay $50 in court fees and miss a day of work to sue him in small claims? People need to get a life
ORIGINAL: Airplanes400
If I was at fault, I WOULD pay for the other guys' plane ... no questions asked, and immediately. If someone says they never saw it coming, then they were not paying attention.
And just as in a head on collision with cars ... sue!! Make the guy who was at fault, pay for the damages. Then, LET HIM GET OVER IT.
If I was at fault, I WOULD pay for the other guys' plane ... no questions asked, and immediately. If someone says they never saw it coming, then they were not paying attention.
And just as in a head on collision with cars ... sue!! Make the guy who was at fault, pay for the damages. Then, LET HIM GET OVER IT.
Lablover, We all have different opinions as to your situation. I can't fault you for yours, it is more than kind that you let someone get away with wrecking your plane. I just could not do that. I hope you never have that experience again. Best of luck and enjoy the hobby.
09-07-2010, 03:27 PM
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RE: Mid Air...need advise
that you let someone get away with wrecking your plane.
09-07-2010, 03:35 PM
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RE: Mid Air...need advise
I feel your pain, I think I have had 6 midairs in the last 15+ years of this.....Got 3 back on the ground, the other 3, gone. One of them survived one mid air and died from another about 3 months later!!!
2 of the 3 lost were fully decked out sport turbines (Bandit and Bobcat). Never saw a dime nor expected one.
IMHO, there is precisely a 0% chance of proving a midair is one person or the other's fault.....not 5%.....not 0.1%...... but 0%
2 of the 3 lost were fully decked out sport turbines (Bandit and Bobcat). Never saw a dime nor expected one.
IMHO, there is precisely a 0% chance of proving a midair is one person or the other's fault.....not 5%.....not 0.1%...... but 0%
09-07-2010, 04:37 PM
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Accidental damages can be sought after in a lawsuit. In this case, as described, the accident was the fault of someone flying "out of the pattern." That's called negligence, and probably also creating an unnecessary hazard. People are held accountable for their negligence and the lack of due diligence.
Anyway, if someone's bad flying habits result in a mid air with one of my planes, I will sue if the person does not pay for my plane. If that ever happens, I'll let you know how it turns out.
Anyway, if someone's bad flying habits result in a mid air with one of my planes, I will sue if the person does not pay for my plane. If that ever happens, I'll let you know how it turns out.
09-07-2010, 05:30 PM
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RE: Mid Air...need advise
ORIGINAL: Airplanes400
Accidental damages can be sought after in a lawsuit. In this case, as described, the accident was the fault of someone flying ''out of the pattern.'' That's called negligence, and probably also creating an unnecessary hazard. People are held accountable for their negligence and the lack of due diligence.
Anyway, if someone's bad flying habits result in a mid air with one of my planes, I will sue if the person does not pay for my plane. If that ever happens, I'll let you know how it turns out.
Accidental damages can be sought after in a lawsuit. In this case, as described, the accident was the fault of someone flying ''out of the pattern.'' That's called negligence, and probably also creating an unnecessary hazard. People are held accountable for their negligence and the lack of due diligence.
Anyway, if someone's bad flying habits result in a mid air with one of my planes, I will sue if the person does not pay for my plane. If that ever happens, I'll let you know how it turns out.
Of course if you can prove negligence you can prevail.
The trick would be proving what "out of the pattern" means, (and the inherent negligence of this) to the satisfaction of a judge and/or a jury. Good luck on that one.
Some bedside reading:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assumption_of_risk
09-07-2010, 05:40 PM
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RE: Mid Air...need advise
Bummer for sure. I once was at a jet meet and 2 guys managed to mid air at 150-200 mph! Wow ! one came managed to land with only a missing nose cone and the other a total flaming loss including the brand new turbine engine for $3000.00 Afterwards they shook hands and like Forest Gump says **it happens. But I would bring it up at the next meeting that everyone needs to be going the same way and try to let others know what your doing, t&g,loops, etc. Good luck with that next project!
