G-38 Too Long,Tall
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I took the mount off! I made some blocks from a closet pole. Got my correct distance to back of prop. I may have to cut the fire wall a little for exhaust clearance and heat. Going to WRAM this weekend I'm going to get a B&B smoke muffler! I'll fit the fire wall then. Thanks for your Help.
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Ray,
Why don't you just tell the guy what to do, wouldn't that be easier.
Ray,
Why don't you just tell the guy what to do, wouldn't that be easier.
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It''s always a pleasure to work with people that are offended when some one comes up with alternative's. So you can assume what you please. I read alot on this plane and was unsure as to put the G-38 I have in it or go out and spend another $300.00 on getting a smaller engine! I have the Flat mount that comes with the engine so that was what I put back on it. So it will be Okay then!
I've been modeling for a few years now! I have a Commander twenty with a K&B forty in it thats about 18 years old flew it last year. It has a AM radio it it so I worry about it. I have a sig LT-40 with a Magnum 91 in it.
Flys Great with the extra power. Pull banners with it etc.
I was looking for some constructive advice not admonishment. The Mono coupe has alot of frontal area, and a large wing I'm sure it will handle the G-38 with out to much trouble. The name of the game is throttle management. I plan on using it to tow banners as well!
My F-16 in my post has a Super Tiger Ninty in it flews Great as well!
I've been modeling for a few years now! I have a Commander twenty with a K&B forty in it thats about 18 years old flew it last year. It has a AM radio it it so I worry about it. I have a sig LT-40 with a Magnum 91 in it.
Flys Great with the extra power. Pull banners with it etc.
I was looking for some constructive advice not admonishment. The Mono coupe has alot of frontal area, and a large wing I'm sure it will handle the G-38 with out to much trouble. The name of the game is throttle management. I plan on using it to tow banners as well!
My F-16 in my post has a Super Tiger Ninty in it flews Great as well!
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When the designer does a kit he (she) makes it for a certain size engine. But knowing the "American Modeler" he has a choice over- engineer the the kit so it will take 2x as much engine as required. Resulting in an overweight model. OR design it just right for the required engine making it a delight to fly, but the first time it gets over engined, it comes apart and the desinger gets a rep as a bad designer.
An example was the 72" H-9 Cap 232, folks were bragging about how they could make it balance and hover it with a US41 in the nose.
Never mind it was a pig to land.
For every flier who uses throttle management there are 10 who treat it as an on/off switch.
Using a g-38 instead of a g-26 is not massive overkill, but a ZDZ 60????
Knowing RCIGN I'm sure his $25 offer was to make a new shorter prop hub.
An example was the 72" H-9 Cap 232, folks were bragging about how they could make it balance and hover it with a US41 in the nose.
Never mind it was a pig to land.
For every flier who uses throttle management there are 10 who treat it as an on/off switch.
Using a g-38 instead of a g-26 is not massive overkill, but a ZDZ 60????
Knowing RCIGN I'm sure his $25 offer was to make a new shorter prop hub.
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My post was not admonishment, I don't care what engine you use.
I't was a response to jemo
" Ray, Why don't you just tell the guy what to do, wouldn't that be easier."
and to rcign
"Maybe the good people at Kangke could put a few more directions on the plan.... "
It's not possible to test every engine on the market that can be bolted to the firewall, it's not even possible to test every engine in the recommended range. I designed this plane with a specific purpose, if you choose to use it for another purpose, I will help where I can and wish you the best of luck. To ASSume that I will have all the answers is just a bit unfair, don't you think?
I't was a response to jemo
" Ray, Why don't you just tell the guy what to do, wouldn't that be easier."
and to rcign
"Maybe the good people at Kangke could put a few more directions on the plan.... "
It's not possible to test every engine on the market that can be bolted to the firewall, it's not even possible to test every engine in the recommended range. I designed this plane with a specific purpose, if you choose to use it for another purpose, I will help where I can and wish you the best of luck. To ASSume that I will have all the answers is just a bit unfair, don't you think?
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Ray no offense taken with you. You did not write assume. The Plane is Very nice. I understand the problem of being all things to all people. I was looking for a simple solution to my problem with the mount. I had a 4 post G-38 mount not the cup mount. I have the B&B vibration mounts with about 1" of closet pole spacer 2 Deg right thrust. The muffler is in the back on the G-38 thats were the problem lies. I plan on putting smoke in the plane as well! I bought an Eastern Designs Monocoupe 90a in the eighty's and never finished it. When I saw your Plane I knew I had to get one. I'm sure the G-38 is more power then it needs but I have the G-38 and it's going in. Nice Job on the Plane Great Quality! I've read most of the Post on this Plane so I know your feelings on the 2.4. I'll post some flight results when I'm done. Thanks Again
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Luds96, at the bottom of the firewall there is a structural support linking it to the gear plate, this is to prevent firewall compression from engine weight during high positive "G's", if you remove or alter it some structure will need to be fabricated. If you stop by my booth at the WRAM show I'll show you what I mean.
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I wrote the ASSume post, it was not an admonishment..The $25 was for a shorter hub..I ASSumed you had the cup mount..I did not ASSume rubber mounts, a G38 has no need for rubber mounts, they work just fine mounted solid..ASSuming the cup mount was used and ASSuming the firewall would not be moved back I ASSumed a shorter hub would work....
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And I DID answer the first question....With NO ASSumptions...
I will try not to ASSume in the future
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And I DID answer the first question....With NO ASSumptions...
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Thanks Ray I will stop by your both this weekend to discuss this further. I figured after I cut the bottom of the firewall to box it in with plywood. Then glass it and fuel proof it in some fashion as to not comprimize the integrity of the fire wall and landing gear support! I'm looking forward to spring and flying in nice weather!
RCIGN1 Thanks for all you advice as well that's a great price to change the shaft. Moving the engine back will also help the CG. No assumptions.[8D]
RCIGN1 Thanks for all you advice as well that's a great price to change the shaft. Moving the engine back will also help the CG. No assumptions.[8D]
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G-38 Notched firewall, backed it up with 3/4 ply glassed in side with pine blocks to support it all. B&B smoke muffler! 1800ma 6v pack in back with 1200 ma 6v pack for smoke. Balance's right on cg with out extra weight. Distance to spinner back right on. Few more days and we will see what it does.
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Who could ask for more these Kangle people are Great
Steve,
The gear plate in the Monocoupe holds up well when used with engines
under 1.8.
The problem with the G-38 is not the power, it's the fact that it weighs two
pounds more than a Saito 150 or the RCS 140.
When I designed this airframe it was never intended to carry that much
engine weight or vibration, it was designed for a 120 four stroke.
As far as the threaded rod pulling out of the wing strut, that is exactly
what they are supposed to do in the event of a mishap.
If the strut is not damaged they can be reinstalled using white glue such as
elmers, do not use CA it makes it too strong a bond. I'm not sure 4-40 is a
good idea, use 2-56 it will be more than strong enough for flight loads.
As far as the wheel pants and fairings, we'll take care of you. Call James
at 1-877 203 2377, he will send you a new set.
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Steve,
The gear plate in the Monocoupe holds up well when used with engines
under 1.8.
The problem with the G-38 is not the power, it's the fact that it weighs two
pounds more than a Saito 150 or the RCS 140.
When I designed this airframe it was never intended to carry that much
engine weight or vibration, it was designed for a 120 four stroke.
As far as the threaded rod pulling out of the wing strut, that is exactly
what they are supposed to do in the event of a mishap.
If the strut is not damaged they can be reinstalled using white glue such as
elmers, do not use CA it makes it too strong a bond. I'm not sure 4-40 is a
good idea, use 2-56 it will be more than strong enough for flight loads.
As far as the wheel pants and fairings, we'll take care of you. Call James
at 1-877 203 2377, he will send you a new set.
Ray Nano
Tech support / Design team
Kangke/ Super Kraft/ TSI
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Well I'm having a GREAT TIME with this Plane! I have got it dialed in Good. Full Flaps on final, nice steep approach with power. Level of in ground affect, Pull the power bleed airspeed and grease her in. Flys Great with the G-38! I remodeld the stuts with mirror clips and bolted them directly to the new brackets. Just unclip them and fold them back! Nice. I need to find 4-40 clevis's that will last more than a few flights. The metal to metal eats them right up. Smoker works awesome. I'm very happy with this Plane now. No regrets adding the G-38 with the reinforced firewall. This Plane flys really scale. It allows me to use my full scale flying skills. The thing flys forever on very little fuel! Burns more smoke oil than Gas!
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I just wish they would redesign the windshield to be more scale in appearance, similar to what Pacific Aeromodeler has done with their clip wing Monocoupe.
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Much was said about someone's gas experience level when he noted he was going to obtain a B&B smoke muffler. Gassers do not need heating coils or special mufflers to make smoke. All they need is a fluid inlet close to the engine's exhaust port. Most know that a B&B muffler cuts a lot of rpm off of a Zenoah engine and that there are others that will permit better performance.
The hub change by RCIGN would have been a lot simpler modification to permit a good fit. No change in the aircrafts structure would have been required.
The hub change by RCIGN would have been a lot simpler modification to permit a good fit. No change in the aircrafts structure would have been required.