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BRAND WARS! Round 1: Who makes the best 2-stroke engine?
10-29-2005, 05:06 PM
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RE: BRAND WARS! Round 1: Who makes the best 2-stroke engine?
I like most OS engines and I buy them with the same frequency as other engines. Not every model requires "the best". Sometimes, "good enough" is good enough.
I wish someone would pick up Enya engines and sell the full line here in the US.
I also wish Enya would get off their duffs and produce some newer, more modern, models, not that I don't still buy their old models when I get a chance. While I love every Enya engine that I have ever owned, I wish they would bring back the Enya 45CX and then tell people how to tune them properly. Then again, maybe they shouldn't tell folks how to tune them properly. Just bring it back so I can buy those terrible Enya .45CX engines from those that do not know its "secret" to being turned into a monster that is ultra reliable and durable.
I wish someone would pick up Enya engines and sell the full line here in the US.
I also wish Enya would get off their duffs and produce some newer, more modern, models, not that I don't still buy their old models when I get a chance. While I love every Enya engine that I have ever owned, I wish they would bring back the Enya 45CX and then tell people how to tune them properly. Then again, maybe they shouldn't tell folks how to tune them properly. Just bring it back so I can buy those terrible Enya .45CX engines from those that do not know its "secret" to being turned into a monster that is ultra reliable and durable.
10-29-2005, 05:39 PM
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RE: BRAND WARS! Round 1: Who makes the best 2-stroke engine?
I note that MDS haven't got a vote yet!!! Well that's something that we all appear to agree on.
10-30-2005, 04:23 AM
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ORIGINAL: hobbsy
I have 13 of the MDS' and don't agree with that.
I have 13 of the MDS' and don't agree with that.
With 6279 posts, you must be quite an 'experinced' modeller.
If that kind of experience is required to have MDS engines running right, well...
10-30-2005, 07:37 AM
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RE: BRAND WARS! Round 1: Who makes the best 2-stroke engine?
There are many others on here who've had success with them also. My formula is simple, 5% nitro, 20% lube and a prop toward the large end of the prop range although others claim they had better luck with props toward the smaller end of the prop range.
10-30-2005, 08:01 AM
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RE: BRAND WARS! Round 1: Who makes the best 2-stroke engine?
although others claim they had better luck with props toward the smaller end of the prop range.
. Strange as it may seem, they are the ones (and only ?) to be iso certified. We therefore shall have great consistency along the batch...[sm=confused.gif][sm=confused.gif]
Check this, it's fun : http://www.justengines.unseen.org/mds.htm
10-30-2005, 10:16 AM
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ORIGINAL: Strykaas
That's exactly the point. These engines seem all about LUCK. You can get away with it or simply never be able to tune it to your needs .
Strange as it may seem, they are the ones (and only ?) to be iso certified. We therefore shall have great consistency along the batch...[sm=confused.gif][sm=confused.gif]
Check this, it's fun : http://www.justengines.unseen.org/mds.htm
although others claim they had better luck with props toward the smaller end of the prop range.
. Strange as it may seem, they are the ones (and only ?) to be iso certified. We therefore shall have great consistency along the batch...[sm=confused.gif][sm=confused.gif]
Check this, it's fun : http://www.justengines.unseen.org/mds.htm
Hey Strykaas, iso certification is a sham. In fact most small cnc type businesses, like our model engines far exceeded their supposed standards long before the iso organization existed. It basically adds nothing but cost to everything you buy as even these small manufacturers have to pay for their inspection and also have to generate quite a bit of useless paperwork to be in compliance. Of course larger coperations pay this fee so they can export, especially to the eu. Truth be told it is a protectionist organzation and duty collection agency for the eu. It does not in any way fortell the suitibility or quality of a given product. In fact a lot of companies quality would go down if they followed iso's standards to the letter. Like I said it is really a protectionist and duty collection arm of the eu.
10-30-2005, 10:29 AM
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Vlizard, I would tend to agree with you regarding ISO certification.
I'm in the industry and I know what this is all about (let's not say fed up with all this BS). I'm currently writing a documentation that explains how to validate Mirage 5 mission computer software ONLY for quality purpose. It is now two month since I began, and I have still a couple of months in front of me writing this useless document.
I also think each country has such inspection rules... I remember when I was working for General Electricl Heatlhcare (in France) where we had several such.
1. FDA inspections require tons of "useless' documentation.
2. Six Sigma certified products
You're maybe familiar with that. And yes, to my mind, these are not really there to help increase quality. Traceability probably, but not quality, for sure.
And when I said "We therefore shall have great consistency along the batch...", it WAS purposeful irony
I'm in the industry and I know what this is all about (let's not say fed up with all this BS). I'm currently writing a documentation that explains how to validate Mirage 5 mission computer software ONLY for quality purpose. It is now two month since I began, and I have still a couple of months in front of me writing this useless document.
I also think each country has such inspection rules... I remember when I was working for General Electricl Heatlhcare (in France) where we had several such.
1. FDA inspections require tons of "useless' documentation.
2. Six Sigma certified products
You're maybe familiar with that. And yes, to my mind, these are not really there to help increase quality. Traceability probably, but not quality, for sure.
And when I said "We therefore shall have great consistency along the batch...", it WAS purposeful irony
10-30-2005, 11:36 AM
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RE: BRAND WARS! Round 1: Who makes the best 2-stroke engine?
ORIGINAL: Strykaas
Vlizard, I would tend to agree with you regarding ISO certification.
I'm in the industry and I know what this is all about (let's not say fed up with all this BS). I'm currently writing a documentation that explains how to validate Mirage 5 mission computer software ONLY for quality purpose. It is now two month since I began, and I have still a couple of months in front of me writing this useless document.
I also think each country has such inspection rules... I remember when I was working for General Electricl Heatlhcare (in France) where we had several such.
1. FDA inspections require tons of "useless' documentation.
2. Six Sigma certified products
You're maybe familiar with that. And yes, to my mind, these are not really there to help increase quality. Traceability probably, but not quality, for sure.
And when I said "We therefore shall have great consistency along the batch...", it WAS purposeful irony
Vlizard, I would tend to agree with you regarding ISO certification.
I'm in the industry and I know what this is all about (let's not say fed up with all this BS). I'm currently writing a documentation that explains how to validate Mirage 5 mission computer software ONLY for quality purpose. It is now two month since I began, and I have still a couple of months in front of me writing this useless document.
I also think each country has such inspection rules... I remember when I was working for General Electricl Heatlhcare (in France) where we had several such.
1. FDA inspections require tons of "useless' documentation.
2. Six Sigma certified products
You're maybe familiar with that. And yes, to my mind, these are not really there to help increase quality. Traceability probably, but not quality, for sure.
And when I said "We therefore shall have great consistency along the batch...", it WAS purposeful irony
10-30-2005, 03:47 PM
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RE: BRAND WARS! Round 1: Who makes the best 2-stroke engine?
MDS, I have to agree that they run great, and they are cost efficient. I have bought many of these second hand for penny's on the dollar. They are just not as user friendly as some engines. And if they were built on a friday or a monday you could have problems with them.
Why is OS leading the poll? Oh yeah with the cost that they charge everyone over other MFG's they can afford the most advertising.....
This really is a senseless POLL!!!!!!! All of these engines are good at something, and some of them are good at multiple things.....
Why is OS leading the poll? Oh yeah with the cost that they charge everyone over other MFG's they can afford the most advertising.....
This really is a senseless POLL!!!!!!! All of these engines are good at something, and some of them are good at multiple things.....
10-30-2005, 11:16 PM
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RE: BRAND WARS! Round 1: Who makes the best 2-stroke engine?
OS is good for charging rediculous prices for both new engines and parts to service older ones.
What I'd like to see from a few more of the manufacturers is that they make a good engine and then don't discontinue it after 2 or 3 years. OS is famous for this. Magnum seams to make a lot of changes too. Yes, they (OS) still make the surpass line--but why did they have to discontinue the FX 46? It worked fine and the AX isn't all that much better.
Make an engine that runs good and keep it in production for 10 years. Why change the design every 3 yrs?? Then they only supply the parts for maybe 3 or 4 yrs and your on your own after that.
A lot of manufacturers DO keep an engine in production for many years. But, I'd like to see more of them do it more frequently. It won't be long before the 46FX parts become scarce.
What I'd like to see from a few more of the manufacturers is that they make a good engine and then don't discontinue it after 2 or 3 years. OS is famous for this. Magnum seams to make a lot of changes too. Yes, they (OS) still make the surpass line--but why did they have to discontinue the FX 46? It worked fine and the AX isn't all that much better.
Make an engine that runs good and keep it in production for 10 years. Why change the design every 3 yrs?? Then they only supply the parts for maybe 3 or 4 yrs and your on your own after that.
A lot of manufacturers DO keep an engine in production for many years. But, I'd like to see more of them do it more frequently. It won't be long before the 46FX parts become scarce.
10-31-2005, 12:43 AM
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RE: BRAND WARS! Round 1: Who makes the best 2-stroke engine?
There is really no good answer here its purpose and the plane . A john Deere does not run Lemans and a formula One does not plow fields HB and HP are great engiines no replies I guess no owners on the post and as stated irvine too There are bunch of STs and OSs out there no surprise on the numbers only thing that counts is what works for you non of these are the junkers like Vivelle and thor in the old days martin
10-31-2005, 01:26 AM
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RE: BRAND WARS! Round 1: Who makes the best 2-stroke engine?
What I'd like to see from a few more of the manufacturers is that they make a good engine and then don't discontinue it after 2 or 3 years. OS is famous for this. Magnum seams to make a lot of changes too. Yes, they (OS) still make the surpass line--but why did they have to discontinue the FX 46? It worked fine and the AX isn't all that much better.
.... Untill then, I really like the Enya's
10-31-2005, 06:25 AM
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THe OS 46AX is a lot cheaper to make than the 46FX
Moving on from ABC to ABN indeed reduced costs (chrome waste disposal costs), but FX to AX which are both ABN, I just can't see where they saved $$$ ??
10-31-2005, 09:45 AM
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RE: BRAND WARS! Round 1: Who makes the best 2-stroke engine?
ORIGINAL: Strykaas
I'm waiting for the rationale [sm=confused.gif][sm=confused.gif]
Moving on from ABC to ABN indeed reduced costs (chrome waste disposal costs), but FX to AX which are both ABN, I just can't see where they saved $$$ ??
THe OS 46AX is a lot cheaper to make than the 46FX
Moving on from ABC to ABN indeed reduced costs (chrome waste disposal costs), but FX to AX which are both ABN, I just can't see where they saved $$$ ??
So where is Irvine ????...
10-31-2005, 09:59 AM
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RE: BRAND WARS! Round 1: Who makes the best 2-stroke engine?
ORIGINAL: B.L.E.
My appologies to Jett engineering and I stand corrected. I didn't mean to single out Jett as being unusually noisy, it's just that I have always associated Jett (and Nelson) with high power .40's for pylon racing. A prop turning 20,000+ is going to make a lot of noise even on an electric plane.
My appologies to Jett engineering and I stand corrected. I didn't mean to single out Jett as being unusually noisy, it's just that I have always associated Jett (and Nelson) with high power .40's for pylon racing. A prop turning 20,000+ is going to make a lot of noise even on an electric plane.
10-31-2005, 01:50 PM
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ORIGINAL: bob27s
no problem at all ..... its a popular misconception - for the reason you mention - those engines do tend to be loud. The other misconception is that the jett engines are for high rpm only and do not idle.
ORIGINAL: B.L.E.
My appologies to Jett engineering and I stand corrected. I didn't mean to single out Jett as being unusually noisy, it's just that I have always associated Jett (and Nelson) with high power .40's for pylon racing. A prop turning 20,000+ is going to make a lot of noise even on an electric plane.
My appologies to Jett engineering and I stand corrected. I didn't mean to single out Jett as being unusually noisy, it's just that I have always associated Jett (and Nelson) with high power .40's for pylon racing. A prop turning 20,000+ is going to make a lot of noise even on an electric plane.
11-01-2005, 10:12 PM
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RE: BRAND WARS! Round 1: Who makes the best 2-stroke engine?
wow... looks like OS has a dominating lead...
could this be? OS makes the best 2-stroke???[&:]
could this be? OS makes the best 2-stroke???[&:]
