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Old 01-20-2010, 08:43 AM
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one way no body can argue that nitro is cheaper: a full electric meltdown. the reciver shorts and fries everything pluged into it. on a nitro thats up to 5 servos, say averaging $20 each thats $100. same sit. on an electric, you just fried 1 or 2 servos, an esc and smoked the motor. say the servos are the same $20, the motor was bl so around $60 and the esc was 100 but they where a set and priced at $140. thats $160 total, not to mention the battery pack(s) that may or may not have been ruined (the nitro was on alkaline).


i am well aware that the likelyhood of a full electrical meltdown is very low but it could happen if you run in water without waterproofing.
wow my 4AA's in my nitro are really going to supply upto 14volts if the BEC in it fails.... err wait a minute its 6 volts period, and damn guess I'm missing 3 servos and need to buy 2X more expensive ones than I have.
Now if you have this total electric meltdown on a electric you need a new RX servo ESC and seeing we said full electric battery and motor easily $150-200 (not counting chassis incase the battery explodes seeing you said full failure) vs the nitro $20 for servos and I'll say $20 for RX lol

5000 mah 6 cell venom nimh= $40
rustler xl-5= $160 or so
onyx 220= $40-50
total= $250

nitro rustler= $300-330
1 gal. fuel= $20-35
1500 nicad+charger= $20-30
total= $395
and instead of a ruslter XL-5 you should use a BL version cause the XL-5's performance is no where near on par with even a cheap .15 $65 nitro engine.(my nephew can attest to that), but that would bump your figures drastically up...

5000 mah 6 cell venom nimh= $40
rustler VXL= $309 or so
onyx 220= $40-50
total= $399
so the rustler electric is about $4 more than the nitro but the nitro will run way longer than that 1 battery pack rustler...
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one way no body can argue that nitro is cheaper: a full electric meltdown. the reciver shorts and fries everything pluged into it. on a nitro thats up to 5 servos, say averaging $20 each thats $100. same sit. on an electric, you just fried 1 or 2 servos, an esc and smoked the motor. say the servos are the same $20, the motor was bl so around $60 and the esc was 100 but they where a set and priced at $140. thats $160 total, not to mention the battery pack(s) that may or may not have been ruined (the nitro was on alkaline).


i am well aware that the likelyhood of a full electrical meltdown is very low but it could happen if you run in water without waterproofing.

Huh?!?!?!!!??????

In all of the years I've run electric I have never killed a receiver and I can count on one hand the number of ESC's that have died. Yes Brushed motors do require maintenance and replacement but for the most part people are getting away from them. I know I have only a few left that are still brushed. The only way you could kill that many parts at one time would be driving into a lake. What would happen if you did the same thing with a Nitro? All of the electronics would be junk and the motor would most likely bend the rod or break the piston from sucking up water.
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one way no body can argue that nitro is cheaper: a full electric meltdown. the reciver shorts and fries everything pluged into it. on a nitro thats up to 5 servos, say averaging $20 each thats $100. same sit. on an electric, you just fried 1 or 2 servos, an esc and smoked the motor. say the servos are the same $20, the motor was bl so around $60 and the esc was 100 but they where a set and priced at $140. thats $160 total, not to mention the battery pack(s) that may or may not have been ruined (the nitro was on alkaline).


i am well aware that the likelyhood of a full electrical meltdown is very low but it could happen if you run in water without waterproofing.

Huh?!?!?!!!??????

In all of the years I've run electric I have never killed a receiver and I can count on one hand the number of ESC's that have died. Yes Brushed motors do require maintenance and replacement but for the most part people are getting away from them. I know I have only a few left that are still brushed. The only way you could kill that many parts at one time would be driving into a lake. What would happen if you did the same thing with a Nitro? All of the electronics would be junk and the motor would most likely bend the rod or break the piston from sucking up water.
Actually he was talking about nitro I hate to say...
And the rod won't bend driving into water not much happens. The motor will choke off instantly same as if you plug the exhaust or air intake so no broken rod. Its happened to someone on the ST forums a while back he lost control and drove it into a lake. He took the motor apart completely dried it off oiled it down good and slapped it back together, let it sit a day, and it ran like nothing happened even the electronics.
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Yea I was only asking personal opinion and not trying to start a huge argument.
that why there is so many religion wars in this world to many people trying to force their opinion on others.
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As the online component as the hobby becomes larger, you start to get visibility of people whose primary means of enjoyment in the hobby is debating, mocking, trolling, etc. about one of those 'divides'.

It could be buggies vs. trucks, it could be electric vs. nitro, it could be racing vs. bashing, it could be whatever vs. whatever. To these people it doesn't really matter what the issue is, the important thing is to justify their own choice to others, feel good about themselves, and often to the mock the other side. To even consider the other side as an option would destroy the hobby for these people.

20 years ago the 'net didn't really exist (as it does today) and 10 years ago it was nothing like what it is now. The 'net has changed things and made that 'third class' of people in many of the hobbies more visible. Which in turn has added to the third class, since many derive pleasure and life fulfillment knowing that their own grandstanding is at least being seen by others online.

Personally I have mixed feelings about whether to accept that third class and irl I always tell people 'get out there and do stuff'. When I see someone choosing the 'net or the computer (game, online forum, social networking, porn, etc.) over life I think it's a pretty sad thing. But maybe that's just the voice of someone who there was a time in my life when all this and that didn't exist.
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Even though i like both, if i had to pick one it would be nitro for sure. The realism, sound, tuning and maintenance really make it fun for me. The electrics are nice for ease of use and quiet running. They are nice in slow off road conditions too. If it has anything to do with speed, i like nitro the best

I have kind of gotten into electric a little more since my father in law has got his HPI Blitz just so that we could run together with closely matched machines. My nitro buggy wouldnt be much fun running against a stock blitz, since its about twice as fast, and heaven forbid we ran into each other. Ill just say that XTM buggy is HEAVY and tough. The blitz wouldnt fare so well

We would both be running nitro, but he doesent want to fool with the tuning, maintenance, or buying fuel that comes with a nitro, and that is where electric comes in nice. I would love it if he had bought a 1/8 nitro buggy though. Talk about some fun running against each other

Really, the cost of each is very similar if you want similar performance, so you pretty much just need to pick what you like and run it, whatever it may be.

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I have kind of gotten into electric a little more since my father in law has got his HPI Blitz just so that we could run together with closely matched machines. My nitro buggy wouldnt be much fun running against a stock blitz, since its about twice as fast, and heaven forbid we ran into each other. Ill just say that XTM buggy is HEAVY and tough. The blitz wouldnt fare so well
Kinda the same reason I got electrics
My 10yo nephew got a Stampede tried racing against my MT2, my MT2 with a Nitro Star T-15 smoked his stock pede. Than he decided (told him it wasn't a wise decision) to race my Savage while I was breaking its motor in during the 25% throttle stage, the Savage smoked it again (and drove over the pede).
Got a Brama to try and give him competition. Thing was too slow to do anything even after new motors (now its way too fast with its BL setup and snapped the rear end off from the torque lol) Than converted a MT1 still too slow and no competition to the pede. Than I said screw it and bought 2 DF-02's and gave him one for xmas so we would have very close speeds instead of me buying more RC's to try and get a similar speed to his pede. I would have (and almost have) bought a pede but I kinda don't like the RWD aspect.
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. The only way you could kill that many parts at one time would be driving into a lake. What would happen if you did the same thing with a Nitro? All of the electronics would be junk and the motor would most likely bend the rod or break the piston from sucking up water.

Sorry, not true. I've submariened both electric and nitro boats and simply drying and cleaning restores both electric and nitro to normal function. I've done it many times and have not had to replace a single part due to water damage.

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. The only way you could kill that many parts at one time would be driving into a lake. What would happen if you did the same thing with a Nitro? All of the electronics would be junk and the motor would most likely bend the rod or break the piston from sucking up water.

Sorry, not true. I've submariened both electric and nitro boats and simply drying and cleaning restores both electric and nitro to normal function. I've done it many times and have not had to replace a single part due to water damage.

i've gotten lucky a few times as well with water but i have killed a couple of servos and a esc or two
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Individual comparisons of performance or speed are going to be all over the place. Just b'cos a nitro driven by you can beat someone else's RTR 'pede or whatever doesn't make it a rule. The only thing that demonstrates is that the RTR 'pede isn't exactly pushing the envelope.

I also don't buy the realism argument. Either neither one is real, or both are real. Neither one can serve the function of a full-size truck like the type people drive around in. At some point the argument degrades to simple existentialism.
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Electric all the way. Did the nitro thing, liked it, but went back to my roots, which is electric. BL and lipo is hard to beat in terms of performance and ease of use. That said, I love the simplicity of my Savage Flux and just recently, my new HPI Blitz........they're both more fun than my old nitro stuff ever was.
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Individual comparisons of performance or speed are going to be all over the place. Just b'cos a nitro driven by you can beat someone else's RTR 'pede or whatever doesn't make it a rule. The only thing that demonstrates is that the RTR 'pede isn't exactly pushing the envelope.

I also don't buy the realism argument. Either neither one is real, or both are real. Neither one can serve the function of a full-size truck like the type people drive around in. At some point the argument degrades to simple existentialism.
errm never meant anything more to my last statement about the pede vs my nitros than what was stated no hidden agenda or saying it was a rule etc. Just said my nephew got me into buying elecs kinda how cummins soon to be father in law got him turned onto electrics. And thats all I meant for it to say. Would I have bought electric if it wasn't for my nephew looking disappointed? probably closer to winter than I did. I also would have researched my options better and not bought the Brama that I did.

In all truth I've also never stated nitro was superior most of what I said was to try and dispel some of those non-factual rumors about nitro (like being it more expensive, 5 servo's etc) that people state as fact, along with my preference for burning what looks like windshield washing fluid in a mini engine.
Think your just digging too far into posts for some hidden meaning.
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Individual comparisons of performance or speed are going to be all over the place. Just b'cos a nitro driven by you can beat someone else's RTR 'pede or whatever doesn't make it a rule. The only thing that demonstrates is that the RTR 'pede isn't exactly pushing the envelope.

I also don't buy the realism argument. Either neither one is real, or both are real. Neither one can serve the function of a full-size truck like the type people drive around in. At some point the argument degrades to simple existentialism.
You dont have to buy the realism thing, but its true.

Nitro= Internal Combustion Engine
Real Car= Internal combustion engine
Electric- electric motor

Sure, the 2 types of engines have their differences, the nitro shares more parts with most of the real cars out there than the electric's do. Not to mention many nitro's have 2 speeds(hmm, most cars have more than 1 gear), and they also have a clutch(stick shift, anybody?) Nobody said anything about function. Neither one has function other than to entertain. You cant deny that it is has more features of a real car than electric.

Thats why most gearheads like myself prefer nitro for the most part.
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i myself love nitro and gas powered.
i grew up with only elec.
so now that i can afford nitro and or gas i tend to stay with it.

i will be buying 1-2 elec. but only trophy trucks or on road.
no monster trucks or truggys
i would love a high power elec. on-road for drifting.
drifting in nitro tends to burn up trannys and gears and motors from the steady high rpm's

If your going to start running at our track 1/8scale nitro and electric slash (box stock) and mod corr are the most populare
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Ilike both nitro and electric but i think electric is my favorite, heres why: less tuning, quieter (good sometimes), more indoor capabilities, don't have to buy expensive nitro fuel all the time, and electronics interest me more. oh, and i love the instant power from electic, no bogging or stalling.
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i myself love nitro and gas powered.
i grew up with only elec.
so now that i can afford nitro and or gas i tend to stay with it.

i will be buying 1-2 elec. but only trophy trucks or on road.
no monster trucks or truggys
i would love a high power elec. on-road for drifting.
drifting in nitro tends to burn up trannys and gears and motors from the steady high rpm's

If your going to start running at our track 1/8scale nitro and electric slash (box stock) and mod corr are the most populare
i am building a 1/5 duratrax firehammer mt and i have a 1/8 redcat backdraft 3.5
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do they still have races in the winter? prolly only on-road on the carpet track huh

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i may throw some slicks on the backdraft and go up there and race a few.
do they allow the nitro to run indoors?
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i am building a 1/5 duratrax firehammer mt and i have a 1/8 redcat backdraft 3.5
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do they still have races in the winter? prolly only on-road on the carpet track huh

In Columbus, OH (bout a 1.5-2hr drive for ThunderbirdJunkie) there is a very nice indoor off road track.

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Individual comparisons of performance or speed are going to be all over the place. Just b'cos a nitro driven by you can beat someone else's RTR 'pede or whatever doesn't make it a rule. The only thing that demonstrates is that the RTR 'pede isn't exactly pushing the envelope.

I also don't buy the realism argument. Either neither one is real, or both are real. Neither one can serve the function of a full-size truck like the type people drive around in. At some point the argument degrades to simple existentialism.
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i may throw some slicks on the backdraft and go up there and race a few.
do they allow the nitro to run indoors?
must be carpet tires and no nitros just go on the web site and check it out
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I've been in the hobby 18 years now, and have owned a lot of both nitro and electric. Currently I only own electric, but I have to admit I really miss nitro. Even though I get more performance from my ERBE and MERV than I would a nitro, nitro is just more exciting to me. I love the noise and smell and just tinkering with it. I would never get rid of my electrics since I don't have many places to run a nitro, but If I had the money I would definately get myself a Revo just so I could run it when I got the nitro urge.
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Individual comparisons of performance or speed are going to be all over the place. Just b'cos a nitro driven by you can beat someone else's RTR 'pede or whatever doesn't make it a rule. The only thing that demonstrates is that the RTR 'pede isn't exactly pushing the envelope.

I also don't buy the realism argument. Either neither one is real, or both are real. Neither one can serve the function of a full-size truck like the type people drive around in. At some point the argument degrades to simple existentialism.
You dont have to buy the realism thing, but its true.

Nitro= Internal Combustion Engine
Real Car= Internal combustion engine
Electric- electric motor

Sure, the 2 types of engines have their differences, the nitro shares more parts with most of the real cars out there than the electric's do. Not to mention many nitro's have 2 speeds(hmm, most cars have more than 1 gear), and they also have a clutch(stick shift, anybody?) Nobody said anything about function. Neither one has function other than to entertain. You cant deny that it is has more features of a real car than electric.

Thats why most gearheads like myself prefer nitro for the most part.
I have to agree that nitro is more like the real thing. That's why I love it so much. When it come to a 2 or 3 speed nitro its just like a real automatic. Here is how.
RC has external clutch..... The real deal also has an external clutch of sorts, its called the torque converter.
RC multi gear tranny has internal clutch or clutches..... The real deal has clutch packs in the automatic tranny that engages the gears.
RC has an internal combustion engine......So does the real deal.
RC engines have carbs........Some of the older cars I like to tinker with also have carbs that also need tuning like Holly, Edelbrock, Demon, Mikuni, and Weber.

So for a gear head like me the argument that nitro is nowhere near the real thing just doesn't stick
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Individual comparisons of performance or speed are going to be all over the place. Just b'cos a nitro driven by you can beat someone else's RTR 'pede or whatever doesn't make it a rule. The only thing that demonstrates is that the RTR 'pede isn't exactly pushing the envelope.

I also don't buy the realism argument. Either neither one is real, or both are real. Neither one can serve the function of a full-size truck like the type people drive around in. At some point the argument degrades to simple existentialism.
You dont have to buy the realism thing, but its true.

Nitro= Internal Combustion Engine
Real Car= Internal combustion engine
Electric- electric motor

Sure, the 2 types of engines have their differences, the nitro shares more parts with most of the real cars out there than the electric's do. Not to mention many nitro's have 2 speeds(hmm, most cars have more than 1 gear), and they also have a clutch(stick shift, anybody?) Nobody said anything about function. Neither one has function other than to entertain. You cant deny that it is has more features of a real car than electric.

Thats why most gearheads like myself prefer nitro for the most part.
you do know there is full sized electric vehicles out there right? some of them with 400+ hp so electric is every bit as real as nitro, you could put a tranny on a electric motor, and i believe a lot of people do, i run strait 1:1 cause i run boats but and electric motor has a shaft just like a nitro that can be used in a transmission. i don't think it's fair to compare two totally different vehicles and say one is greater then the other, if i compare a corvette to a honda civic or course the vette is going to be faster. but if i compare a stock aquacraft nitro super vee27 to a stock aquacraft brushless super vee27 then the electric is going to be faster, but even then it's like well what nitro % are you running in the nitro motor and what kinda cells do you have for the electric. There are just too many variables to say one is better in every instance. If you like working on your toys more then playing with them get a ford vehicle and nitro toys, if you prefer to use your toys more then work on them get a Chevy vehicle and electric( brushless + lipo) toys
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I prefer electric. Every time I'm about to buy a new R/C, I go looking at the nitros but never buy one. Why? Nitro costs $40+ a gallon, which is just too much for me. Plus I run my cars in the neighborhood and I don't want to bother anyone with the noise (which I'll admit is very addicting). Also, I don't want to have to keep tuning and retuning it every time I want to run the thing.

My friend had a nitro Savage but could never get it to run properly. He also had to run it in a parking lot behind some shops as to not bother anyone. Just not being able to run my stuff where ever I want is a deal breaker.

I guess I should just get a gas car... too bad 5T's are so expensive!
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You dont have to buy the realism thing, but its true.

Nitro= Internal Combustion Engine
Real Car= Internal combustion engine
Electric- electric motor

Sure, the 2 types of engines have their differences, the nitro shares more parts with most of the real cars out there than the electric's do. Not to mention many nitro's have 2 speeds(hmm, most cars have more than 1 gear), and they also have a clutch(stick shift, anybody?) Nobody said anything about function. Neither one has function other than to entertain. You cant deny that it is has more features of a real car than electric.

Thats why most gearheads like myself prefer nitro for the most part.
you do know there is full sized electric vehicles out there right? some of them with 400+ hp so electric is every bit as real as nitro, you could put a tranny on a electric motor, and i believe a lot of people do, i run strait 1:1 cause i run boats but and electric motor has a shaft just like a nitro that can be used in a transmission. i don't think it's fair to compare two totally different vehicles and say one is greater then the other, if i compare a corvette to a honda civic or course the vette is going to be faster. but if i compare a stock aquacraft nitro super vee27 to a stock aquacraft brushless super vee27 then the electric is going to be faster, but even then it's like well what nitro % are you running in the nitro motor and what kinda cells do you have for the electric. There are just too many variables to say one is better in every instance. If you like working on your toys more then playing with them get a ford vehicle and nitro toys, if you prefer to use your toys more then work on them get a Chevy vehicle and electric( brushless + lipo) toys
You see, you didnt read what I said. How many people drive purely electric cars? Well, i dont know of any at all. Im sure some do, but I havent seen them. Im not sure if the part where you were talking about performance is aimed at me or not? But if so, I think both can be stupid fast, and id much rather have a nitro that I tuned go screaming by at 30k rpm as to have an electric go whining by. Thats just my personal preference.

I dont understand where the argument comes in that if you own a nitro you have to work on it more than run it. I only had 1 nitro like that, and it was a lemon from day 1. All the rest of mine I have ran MUCH more than I worked on them. Yeah, i had to work on them every now and again, but I have to work on my electrics too. I just bought a brand NEW electric Reedy motor for my stampede and the front bushing failed withing 10 or so battery packs.... I have never blown up a nitro engine, so you could say I have worse luck with electrics. Does that mean they are junk? No, but nitro isnt that much maintenance if you know what you are doing....

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Default RE: Nitro Or Elec & why

ORIGINAL: cummins driver
Sure, the 2 types of engines have their differences, the nitro shares more parts with most of the real cars out there than the electric's do. Not to mention many nitro's have 2 speeds(hmm, most cars have more than 1 gear), and they also have a clutch(stick shift, anybody?) Nobody said anything about function. Neither one has function other than to entertain. You cant deny that it is has more features of a real car than electric.

Thats why most gearheads like myself prefer nitro for the most part.
One measure of 'realism' or 'realistic' is whether experience can carry over.
For instance among flying or heli rc hobbyists, in the last 5 or so years reasonably 'realistic' simulation software has become available to the point that, to a degree, someone who learns on a computer simulation can then carry over that experience to flying an actual rc heli. Only when this is true can we say the simulation is 'realistic' or realistic enough.

Now can you really say that for any ground RC (even nitros) that the driving experience carries over? I guess you could try to make it for the tuning. But the driving itself?


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