BVM Plug and Play F16
08-19-2016, 12:11 PM
#251
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Thank you all.
Was the elevator slop out of the box or after some wear? To be honest, since Bob won't say what servos are in there, or even where they come from, I've contemplated swapping them all to MKS HBL servos or some Futaba servos that I know I can trust (I believe the stock servos are Futaba hardware). I'm accustomed to making my own servo leads as well... 5 or 6 higher quality leads wouldn't be hard to make.
Servos raise the price, so in the end I guess I'd be paying for the light weight. Decisions.
Was the elevator slop out of the box or after some wear? To be honest, since Bob won't say what servos are in there, or even where they come from, I've contemplated swapping them all to MKS HBL servos or some Futaba servos that I know I can trust (I believe the stock servos are Futaba hardware). I'm accustomed to making my own servo leads as well... 5 or 6 higher quality leads wouldn't be hard to make.
Servos raise the price, so in the end I guess I'd be paying for the light weight. Decisions.
08-19-2016, 01:54 PM
#252
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Thank you all.
Was the elevator slop out of the box or after some wear? To be honest, since Bob won't say what servos are in there, or even where they come from, I've contemplated swapping them all to MKS HBL servos or some Futaba servos that I know I can trust (I believe the stock servos are Futaba hardware). I'm accustomed to making my own servo leads as well... 5 or 6 higher quality leads wouldn't be hard to make.
Servos raise the price, so in the end I guess I'd be paying for the light weight. Decisions.
Was the elevator slop out of the box or after some wear? To be honest, since Bob won't say what servos are in there, or even where they come from, I've contemplated swapping them all to MKS HBL servos or some Futaba servos that I know I can trust (I believe the stock servos are Futaba hardware). I'm accustomed to making my own servo leads as well... 5 or 6 higher quality leads wouldn't be hard to make.
Servos raise the price, so in the end I guess I'd be paying for the light weight. Decisions.
10-27-2016, 11:00 PM
#254
I have a BVM F-16 on the way and I'm considering putting a kt210 in it because I have the engine. I'll likely dial back the thrust to reduce the chance of overstressing the airframe. Anyone here use a 210 in their F-16? If so, how was wing loading and fuel consumption?
Last edited by dubd; 10-28-2016 at 06:05 AM.
10-28-2016, 02:46 AM
#255
I have Barrys F16 in my garage and it has a K210 in it. It fly's fine just need to use the left stick so you don't over speed the airframe. Also got a few other friends using K210s in theirs also. For fuel consumption I like having the smoke tanks for fuel so when your at an event you don't need to worry about staying up an extra min or 2.
10-28-2016, 05:18 AM
#256
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I have a K210G in mine since I fly full ordnance most of the time. I also fly from grass 90% of the time. I did not see the point of buying a 180 with the 210 available with its advantages.
I plumbed smoke tanks for fuel as Gunradd suggested. I also replaced the wood cross fuselage brace with the carbon fiber one.
I fly it "'scale" ... 160-170 mph Max on a typical flight. Timer set to 7 min and my mains are half full when I shut down. I dialed back to 180-190N of blow. With ordnance it really benefits from the extra push versus 140N, especially on take off from grass and verticals.
Good luck with yours!
JS
I plumbed smoke tanks for fuel as Gunradd suggested. I also replaced the wood cross fuselage brace with the carbon fiber one.
I fly it "'scale" ... 160-170 mph Max on a typical flight. Timer set to 7 min and my mains are half full when I shut down. I dialed back to 180-190N of blow. With ordnance it really benefits from the extra push versus 140N, especially on take off from grass and verticals.
Good luck with yours!
JS
10-28-2016, 06:16 AM
#258
Thanks for the help Kris and Jamie. Mine will be a Tbirds scheme, so no ordnance and I'll be using smoke. I'm adding a 24oz tank for some extra fuel capacity. Does the plane seem heavy with the 210? I'll be flying the F16 from a 450' runway that doesn't have a clear approach, which is why I wanted to keep it light.
10-28-2016, 06:37 AM
#259
Thanks for the help Kris and Jamie. Mine will be a Tbirds scheme, so no ordnance and I'll be using smoke. I'm adding a 24oz tank for some extra fuel capacity. Does the plane seem heavy with the 210? I'll be flying the F16 from a 450' runway that doesn't have a clear approach, which is why I wanted to keep it light.
10-28-2016, 08:15 PM
#263
My understanding is that the BVM/JL is lighter and obviously pre-built. Skymaster has the edge on the landing gear. I've had two SM 1/6 F-16 and they've been bullet proof. I also have a Skymaster 1/5 F-16, just no time to finish building it any time soon.
10-29-2016, 01:18 PM
#264
The skymaster is more sclae and because of its weight (heavier) it flies more scale. The BVM is just a light easy to fly all around great plane. Never flown a jet so much and have done so little maintenance on it. The gear has been great with no issues. I just got back from the flying field just now and put 7 gallons through it since no one was flying due to the wind. Its a great everyday flyer.
10-31-2016, 06:33 PM
#266
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I have a Cortex in mine.
I have not flown the SM but the BVM is easy to land and all around easy flier. The light wing loading makes it a great flyer all around.
Honestly, I don't see a lot of 1/6 SM's here in the SC/NC/GA area so I don't have a good baseline. On the 1/5, the weight difference between the two is very dramatic.
JS
I have not flown the SM but the BVM is easy to land and all around easy flier. The light wing loading makes it a great flyer all around.
Honestly, I don't see a lot of 1/6 SM's here in the SC/NC/GA area so I don't have a good baseline. On the 1/5, the weight difference between the two is very dramatic.
JS
11-01-2016, 09:45 AM
#267
The skymaster is more sclae and because of its weight (heavier) it flies more scale. The BVM is just a light easy to fly all around great plane. Never flown a jet so much and have done so little maintenance on it. The gear has been great with no issues. I just got back from the flying field just now and put 7 gallons through it since no one was flying due to the wind. Its a great everyday flyer.
11-01-2016, 09:50 AM
#268
. I cant say how those fly since I have ever flown them. I only have experience with the 1/6 sizes.
11-01-2016, 01:46 PM
#271
Ah, ok. Sorry for the confusion. lol. I wouldn't put a K210 in the smaller one lol. Maybe a 160 or 170 size.
11-04-2016, 01:00 PM
#275
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Fellas,I just maidened my F16. I don't think I've put four flights on a new jet on maiden day before...it just seemed to want more.
I ended up with a KT-210 and was just aware of my left hand. I think the only time I hit full power was on a vertical up and when I started a loop a bit slow. Takeoff was approx 3/4 power and normal cruise was ~1/2 power and 135-140mph (Jeti A/S telemetry with an alarm set at 170mph (175 published VNE)). Much of the flight time was devoted to slow flight and approach practice, but 169 was max speed recorded.
The primary reason for the 210 was so that I could swap motors between this plane and my SM Phantom that's coming rather than having two motors. Of note I converted one of the two smoke tanks to fuel for a fuel capacity of 4.4L. My timer was set for 7 min and I was landing with 1/2 main tanks. Obviously I was not after it as mentioned above. I will continue to dial in time as well as fuel burned via a Jeti MUI sensor on the fuel pump. This device measures mah used by something (fuel pump in this case) which roughly equates to fuel used. The values on the first four flights ranged from 280-380 mah. I believe I will be able to use an alarm on mah used as my primary and a timer as a backup in the future.
I started with the CG that's recommended and have been adding weight to the exhaust cone on every flight. On the first flight the indicated A/S of 68mph felt uncomfortably slow. With the weight I had in by flight four (guessing 4-6oz) 52-55mph felt comfortable (thanks to my buddy Jason for reading the telemetry data and calling) and there was less tucking in the corners on the high end. CG is obviously a matter of personal taste but I think aft of indicated will yield better results for most. I will post xicoy numbers when I'm done adding weight.
Hopefully this helps!
I ended up with a KT-210 and was just aware of my left hand. I think the only time I hit full power was on a vertical up and when I started a loop a bit slow. Takeoff was approx 3/4 power and normal cruise was ~1/2 power and 135-140mph (Jeti A/S telemetry with an alarm set at 170mph (175 published VNE)). Much of the flight time was devoted to slow flight and approach practice, but 169 was max speed recorded.
The primary reason for the 210 was so that I could swap motors between this plane and my SM Phantom that's coming rather than having two motors. Of note I converted one of the two smoke tanks to fuel for a fuel capacity of 4.4L. My timer was set for 7 min and I was landing with 1/2 main tanks. Obviously I was not after it as mentioned above. I will continue to dial in time as well as fuel burned via a Jeti MUI sensor on the fuel pump. This device measures mah used by something (fuel pump in this case) which roughly equates to fuel used. The values on the first four flights ranged from 280-380 mah. I believe I will be able to use an alarm on mah used as my primary and a timer as a backup in the future.
I started with the CG that's recommended and have been adding weight to the exhaust cone on every flight. On the first flight the indicated A/S of 68mph felt uncomfortably slow. With the weight I had in by flight four (guessing 4-6oz) 52-55mph felt comfortable (thanks to my buddy Jason for reading the telemetry data and calling) and there was less tucking in the corners on the high end. CG is obviously a matter of personal taste but I think aft of indicated will yield better results for most. I will post xicoy numbers when I'm done adding weight.
Hopefully this helps!
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