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Old 08-06-2020, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by CARS II
Got it!
Wayne, Mark thank you for the detail explanation and snapshot of the throttle cut and idle settings, very helpful.
Also disable throttle trim buttons as they are not needed and can be used for something else.
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Aha! I did that on my Boomer's program already and re-assigned trim to knob # 8, I will cancel that and will assign T cut and T idle to the switch I will be using for these funtions.
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Originally Posted by HarryC
I have been testing an amazing LUA app which will work on the 12, 24, and 16 Mk2.
https://youtu.be/Y3FaqIpxels
Harry ,
How do you know if you have a 16MK2?

Patrick
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Originally Posted by sirrom
Harry ,
How do you know if you have a 16MK2?

Patrick
16MK2 is not available yet.
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I assume he said that because the DS16II will have color screen like the DS12 and 24.
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Here is a question.

If the throttle FS is set to idle, and it goes into FS, will the ECU shutdown the engine after 2 sec?
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The original DS16 Doesn’t have enough memory for large Lua apps.
If the failsafe is set to idle it will stay at idle. Set it to a range outside of normal like -125% or more or to send no signal. Then the ECU will see it as an invalid signal and go into fail safe.
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Ok, on my previous set up I had the failsafe as low as it could do to stop the engine.
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Are these good the way they Are?




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I'm almost done watching the Assist videos, once the receiver is all programed then to the next step of the set up, control direction and travel limits I think, been taking notes all along for my personal references, it also helps me check my knowlage when I write it down.
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In functions assignment there’s no need for Trim Trim max for throttle.
Old 08-06-2020, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by CARS II
Here is a question.

If the throttle FS is set to idle, and it goes into FS, will the ECU shutdown the engine after 2 sec?
Not sure I understand your question, but be aware that (at least) the KingTech motor...if the signal fail below a certain value it will enter into fail save...after 1.5sec, on the G to G2

idle show on the GSU should be around 25%...
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The 50% trim on the throttle is the default when I assigned switch sf it just appeared there, then bring trim max to zero?

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Originally Posted by CARS II
Here is a question.

If the throttle FS is set to idle, and it goes into FS, will the ECU shutdown the engine after 2 sec?
If the throttle fail safe is set to a value anywhere in the range seen during TEACH_RC then no the ECU will not shut down the engine. The fail safe value needs to be "out of bounds" or have the throttle pulse stop all together. The safety / easiest way is to stop sending the throttle pulse by selecting a fail safe setting of OUT OFF. To test you can simply turn off the transmitter with the turbine running (plane well restrained of course) verfiy that after 2 sec the turbine shuts down and the logged shutdown reason in the ECU should be LOST_RC.

Simply setting the fail safe value to STOP/ TRIM DOWN will shut down the turbine immediately and the ECU will log it as a normal shutdown.

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Old 08-06-2020, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by CARS II
The 50% trim on the throttle is the default when I assigned switch sf it just appeared there, then bring trim max to zero?
Don’t assign switch SF as throttle trim. Because you made SF the throttle cut and throttle idle you don’t need any trim.
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Got it Wayne! Got it Mark!

Tks.

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While watching Harry's Assist videos, I decided to expand a bit more on that subject and started watching the Esprit assist videos, on the video posted at 25:40 time frame I found an answer to one of my question, what is the vibration analysts for, also I read on the other thread that is on this jet forioum about the guy having a gyro going haywire on the ground, watch.

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The video above also explains at time frame 37:40, in additional settings what turn assistant is for and when turn assistant can be use.
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If the system is in failsafe, isn’t the “throttle pulse” stopped by definition? Or does the ECU recognize the failsafe setting from the Rx as a “throttle pulse” even though there really isn’t one from the Tx to the Rx?
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If the throttle fail safe is set to a value anywhere in the range seen during TEACH_RC then no the ECU will not shut down the engine. The fail safe value needs to be "out of bounds" or have the throttle pulse stop all together. The safety / easiest way is to stop sending the throttle pulse by selecting a fail safe setting of OUT OFF. To test you can simply turn off the transmitter with the turbine running (plane well restrained of course) verfiy that after 2 sec the turbine shuts down and the logged shutdown reason in the ECU should be LOST_RC.

Simply setting the fail safe value to STOP/ TRIM DOWN will shut down the turbine immediately and the ECU will log it as a normal shutdown.
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Originally Posted by jsnipes
If the system is in failsafe, isn’t the “throttle pulse” stopped by definition? Or does the ECU recognize the failsafe setting from the Rx as a “throttle pulse” even though there really isn’t one from the Tx to the Rx?
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Jamie,

If the system goes into fail safe the receiver sends the preset fail safe value on all channels. By default all channels in Jeti receivers are set to HOLD which means they continue to send their last value pulse width so the ECU will think you simply aren't moving the throttle stick. You can also select FAILSAFE which allows you to select a specific preset value and if that value is outside the range learned during TEACH_RC then the ECU will go into fail safe 2 seconds later. So if for example at idle your throttle is 1200us, full stick is 1900usand low trim is 1100us and you perform TEACH_RC using these values and set fail safe to say 900us, which is out side the range of 1100us - 1900us then the ECU will recognize the system is in fail safe.

The final Jeti fail safe selection it OUT OFF which turns off the servo pulse completely off(on the selected port(s) only) when the system goes into fail safe. Out off is probably the most direct way to set throttle fail safe to ensure the ECU will recognize it's shutting down via LOS_RC..
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I need help how to set up assit, still watching Harry's vids, when digital trims are a signed to the gain control, is the gain control knob that was a signed first still been use as the gain control or are the trims now used for gain control ? Have more questions, I like to know how others are setting it up, I flew helis in the beginning of my rc venture and used a gyro on the tail.

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From what I've learned from the videos, I think I want to have the gyro's 3 possition in dampening, if I need the 3 possitions ( don't want to use heading hold just yet ) I want to avoid switching back and forth from dampening to Heading hold and back.
Also, Harry mentions that if a switch is not assigned then the gyro will remain in the first possition.
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10-4 ... makes sense.
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Originally Posted by wfield0455
Jamie,

If the system goes into fail safe the receiver sends the preset fail safe value on all channels. By default all channels in Jeti receivers are set to HOLD which means they continue to send their last value pulse width so the ECU will think you simply aren't moving the throttle stick. You can also select FAILSAFE which allows you to select a specific preset value and if that value is outside the range learned during TEACH_RC then the ECU will go into fail safe 2 seconds later. So if for example at idle your throttle is 1200us, full stick is 1900usand low trim is 1100us and you perform TEACH_RC using these values and set fail safe to say 900us, which is out side the range of 1100us - 1900us then the ECU will recognize the system is in fail safe.

The final Jeti fail safe selection it OUT OFF which turns off the servo pulse completely off(on the selected port(s) only) when the system goes into fail safe. Out off is probably the most direct way to set throttle fail safe to ensure the ECU will recognize it's shutting down via LOS_RC..
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The OUT OFF is how I set my throttle / ECU fail safe and then test it for turbine shutdown after doing my range checks before flying.
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The learning of the Jeti DS12 ( 16 chls now ) continues, many hours have been spend watching as many Harry's vids as possible, taking notes, asking many of the great guys that have volunteer to help how they have done their installs and why they do it that way ( that there is a key element to learn ) Harry's videos are heaven send ( maybe not him, but his vids for sure, ha ha )

Now that I have a basic understanding of basic programing, assist ( still have some more learning to do ) flight modes, I and can begin to expand from there, I'm beginning to understand what it really means to be able to program in many different ways a specific funtion.

I'm now adding to watch the Esprit vids to my list, still have to do a lot more reading, I started reading the DS12 thread on RCG but, after reading the first 18 pages I lost interest and learned very little from it, maybe the next pages will be more about the radio.

I will be making my Phoenix PC21 30cc my test airplane ( test for myself ) the layout of the Jeti switches and knobs are a bit different from my previous radios and want to protect my jets from a bad mistake, after I get at least 10 flights in the PC21then I will move the 12 chl receiver to the Boomer.

A couple more things to be added to the radio then I will satisfied of its looks and handling.

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