JetflyerJ

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Now its time to Play and shake hands i will keep you guys very posted now that she'll be installed in one of the toys and ring it out

basimpsn

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Hey JOHNNY
very impressive love its cool temp At full power at what RPM???. And how fast is the throttle response

Gordon Mc

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Interesting - I'd never heard of it.

Huh ?

Gordon

JetflyerJ

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Basil just look me up at the Jet meet in Lake Wales, this is by far the Fastest spool up turbine I've ever owned from zero to half throttle 2.6 seconds on a timer with video to prove it, from half to Full you can say HANG ON BABY cause she's going up in 1.26 seconds.

look for this Jet and you are all welcome to play with the sticks or maybe a Buddy cord to check it all out guys

basimpsn

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SWEET [sm=thumbup.gif]

JetflyerJ

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yes Basimpson 120,000 RPM's 35 + Lbs for $3500.00

You're reading correctly...

Now I have to get back to *** I LOST MY WINGMAN ** thread and kick Bryce's *****


Johnny Hernandez

mr_matt

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Hi Gordon,

I will send you a PM on this, some errors in some of the info here but I am staying out of this thread.

JetflyerJ

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yes Matt please do, cause whenI ask you a question you always play like you dont have a clue on anything and you call yourself a Repp and only answer questions to whoever you feel like answering to and guess what ?? I am a great customner of JetCat as I to this day still own 7 of them. So thank you for your support, if it wasnt for Wilcox, Redman and the P-120 I wouldnt own a Jetcat as the P-120 is really the hardest Turbine to beat.

I'm No Repp here and will never be a repp for anyone just me, I like having a little bit of everything out there and try it all when I want
Thank you ................ Johnny Hernandez

mr_matt

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I have no idea what you are talking about Johnny I have answered about 1000 questions in the turbine clinic, as far as I know the only question you had that I could not answer was in regards to retrofits for the P-160, and I advised you to call Bob.

If you ever had another question I could not answer, I apologize.

AFTERBURNER1

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Thanks for the info Johnny H!! I own 4 Artes turbines, 3 SuperBees & one Eagle. They all start and run like champs!! I bought and had them installed by Paul Pigneri (ARTES USA). He does a great job with customer support and has helped me with any questions I might have..

Cruze out to cali and we'll compare some photos!!

Here are a couple shots of my newest one!! We will maiden this sunday..

Cheers!

Doug

got turbine

Johnny,
The good thing about the Rhino is that it Doesn´t have a ¨RECALL¨ I mean an UPGRADE for 700 BUCKS like the p-160 does...ARTES keep ROCKING...For me JETCAT can come up with a p-1000 if they want,
After what is happening with the p-160´s for me they are not worth anything...MY OPINION..

Gamal Hache

Tom Antlfinger

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P-140's have been around for a long time, SORT OF......Bob W. mentioned long time ago, when the first P-160 Version I blew up that the engine should probably be downrated to a P-140 due to temp and vibration problems at 128,000 RPM.....

I have a P-160 Version I on my KingCat and run it gingerly(no slam throttles if at all possible) at 123,000 for takeoff and go-arounds, and then throttle-throttle mix it when the gear comes up to limit it to 120,000 RPM......using my primitive thrust meter ( a digital fish scale secured to the forward wing tube on the KC with Kevlar lines), I still get 30 lbs at 60 F ambient, which is 4 lbs more than any of my P-120's, and the fuel consumption is actually slightly better than a P-120 at full throttle 123 K......

I have no doubt that running the Version I P-160 persistently above 125K, or even 123K shortens the life significantly from what I have seen of friends engines blowing up......although I can't feel any vibration, I did notice that after running mine for more than 2-3 flights at 125,000 RPM that the tail cone bolts were coming loose.....for the last 20 or so flights at 120-123 K, that has not recurred.....

As the upgrade kits are not yet available, it is a moot point whether to upgrade at this point.......but if the reps out there running the Version 3 with the 12 sticks find they are holding up, I probably will upgrade since I only paid $3200.00 for the engine NIB when guys started dumping them, and even an $800.00 ugrade still is reasonable if it does crank out 34-35 lbs, with good longevity.....

Tom

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Hey Johnny!

Your Rhino looks great!

Did I understand you correctly that you got a bit over 35 lbs. @ 120 K.rpm.??
Just browsed through the Artes jet USA and the Artes jet wet-site, and they both state that the Rhino is pushing out 16 kg. (35 lbs) @ 116.000 rpm., and that max rpm is 120K without stating the thrust at max rpm.

What did you get @ 116K.rpm.?

I am in the market for a new 35 lbs. turbine my self, and I am struggling to decide between the Merlin 160, Artes jet Rhino or the new Simjet Nexus. No P-16... ohh... I mean 140 for me

http://www.artesjetusa.com/Rhino.htm
http://www.artesjet.com/prod06.htm

basimpsn

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I think a engine with the same size as the FTE engine running at 116,000 or 120,000 and produce 35lb. thats a winner in my book.

SAP_2000

I agree. It seems like a winner for sure!
I just find it strange that the manufactures state on their site that it produces 35 lbs @ 116K.rpm. when Johnny tested his yesterday and got (if I understand it correctly) a bit over 35 lbs. @ 120K.

lov2flyrc

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Staale,
Temp and altitude will vary the output. Not sure what baseline Artes used for the specs given but the chart attached should give you a rough idea of it's capabilies...
Todd

SAP_2000

I know that Todd.

I think the testing standard is supposed to be something like +15c, sea level and 1012mb. pressure. If Johnny got a bit over 35lbs @120Krpm. yesterday in Florida, I'm guessing not far from sea level and something like 25c., Artes must have based their numbers on sub-sea level altitude and something like -30c
That does not seem realistic to me..... Just saw the Rhino add here on RCU, and it said 'full 160N (35lbs) at 115.000 rpm'

I just wanted to know what is the correct rating for this turbine....

jettset99

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Hi Guys Thanks Johnny for giving a fair and balanced report to all,as for the Rhino you will get between 35-38 lbs from 115-120k,,,,,,Turbines due vary in thrust output , one from another, @ 64 F 120 feet asl, I got these readings @ 115,000 and 120,000,on one piticular Rhino ,we will make needed changes as nessasary to specs. Paul AJUSA

ALso Thanks Todd for your info

basimpsn

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You will be surprise to see how many turbine out there running either with more or less power that they advertise. Its like some days at the field on a hot day my turbine perform less, And hard to start. Also performance not so good.

SAP_2000

Ok Paul. I think I understand.

The Rhino on the pictures produced 37,5 lbs at 115K and 40,02 lbs@ 120K, correct? If so... is it not a bit strange that Johnny's gave ''only'' 35.2 lbs @ 120K when another one gave 5 lbs. more @ the same rpm? Or are those big differences normal?

One more question... To your knowledge, are the Merlin and Rhino internally the same?

I'm asking because I am in the market for a new 160N turbine, and are considering the Rhino.

SAP_2000

I know all about performance in different temps... Last winter, the coldest temperature I flew my Skymaster F-15/ SimJet 3000 in was -15c. no need to say that performance was very good with unlimited verticals. This summer, the hottest was about +30c and the same plane and engine felt pretty lazy in comparison... Could not even dream of unlimited verticals...

Lt. Dan

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Full scale engines are the same way. A 52,000lb thrust turbofan engine on a DC-10 can make takeoff power at 95% N1 when its 0* C, but that same engine will need to hit around 104% N1 to make the same power when the OAT gets into the +30* C range.

jettset99

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Hi as I stated on the one test ,the out side temperature was 64 F, It is normal for turbines to put out more or less thrust . Tempature and altitude effect the Desighn the most. Johnny's test was preformed at a little above 80F and sea level,so his turbine is far within acceptable thrust output.
Thanks Paul ARTES JET USA

cajet

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I hope Artes gets this one right. Its nice to have some competition in the market. I have seen the bee in action for a long time now and no problems ever. Lets hope the Rhino does well. I would love a Rhino for my Eurofighter.

Before I buy one I have some questions for Artes users out there.

1. Has anyone had to send their engine in for repair? If so what is the turn around time? And service charges?
2. What is there manufacturing capabilities for mass production and mass support? (please facts only no speculation) (I welcome Artes to pipe in on this one)

I ask these questions because it looks like they will sell a lot of engines in the coming year. You can have a great warranty but thats only as good as the service and the turn around time. Most everyone was burned by RAM and some still have scars from that. Jetcat (besides the p-160) provides a safe conduit to know that my 3 P-120's can be serviced on a moments notice and quick turn around for a reasonable price. I look at the sevice as part of protecting my investment rather then being stuck with a $3,000 paper weight. It would be nice to know that if I buy an Artes that I have the same comfort level.

At the end of the day is Artes a business or a hobby? Two different levels of commitment.

Thanks in advance for your answers. (just the facts please)

Jimmy

jettset99

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Hi Jimmy Here's a link please go and see are factory production facility, we have 8 Full time employees 5 Days a week at the Artes Jet JF microreactores Facility, capable producing 3 turbines a day,or about 30 a month,Artes Jet is the longest in business running model turbine company, after all your dealing with the guys who started it all, Artes has been in business before them all including Ram and Jet Cat, Over 2 years ago, Jesus Artes and Felipe Nieto joined to make Factory produced turbines thus the "J "for Jesus and "F" for Felipe, JF 50 ,JF 70,JF 120, JF 170 Previously Artes used to produce kit turbines parts and sold parts to turbine makers and made some small production batches of built motors before.
As for your Question about the Business and Hobby, To produce and support turbines is absolutely a business, but we always remember this is a hobby for you.And about service we provided Factory service, so we send you a pre paid next day air label and you call UPS to pick it up, and we will have it shipped back within 5 business Days after getting it.

Join are Team you will be very happy


http://homepage.mac.com/jf_reactores/PhotoAlbum21.html