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Old 04-28-2013, 04:40 PM
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Lifted verbatim in its entirety from another ( non model related) forum as I thought it interesting:


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WWII pigeon message stumps GCHQ decoders
November 23rd, 2012

Britain’s top code-breakers say they are stumped by a secret code found on the leg of a dead pigeon.

The remains of the bird were found in a chimney in Surrey with a message from World War II attached.

Experts at the intelligence agency GCHQ have been struggling to decipher the message since they were provided with it a few weeks ago.

They say it may be impossible to decode it without more information – some of which could come from the public.

The message was discovered by David Martin when he was renovating the chimney of his house in Surrey.

Among the rubbish, he found parts of a dead pigeon including a leg. Attached to the leg was a red canister. Inside the canister was a thin piece of paper with the words “Pigeon Service†at the top and 27 handwritten blocks of code.

This was given to GCHQ at the start of the month.

“We didn’t really hold out any hopes we would be able to read the message because the sort of codes that were constructed to be used during operations were designed only to be able to be read by the senders and the recipients,†said GCHQ historian Tony, who asked that only his first name be used.

He told the BBC: “Unless you get rather more idea than we have of who actually sent this message and who it was sent to we are not going to find out what the underlying code being used was.â€

‘Dear Santa’

The experts believe there are two ways the message might have been coded.

One is with a so-called one-time pad where a random “key†is applied to a message. If the key is truly random and known only to sender and recipient, the code can be unbreakable.

Another option is that this code was based on a specific – and now probably destroyed – code-book put together for a particular operation so the maximum amount of information about that operation could be relayed in the shortest message (this could be done in conjunction with a one-time pad).

There had been speculation that the message might have been sent by an agent of the Special Operations Executive and that it was heading for Bletchley Park. But these theories have largely been discounted.

An undercover agent in occupied Europe would not use an official note pad in case he or she was caught with it in their possession.

And Bletchley became a station to decode German and Japanese messages rather than a place in which the British military regularly sent its communications.

“The most helpful suggestion we had through all of this was from a member of the public who suggested that, since the message was found in the chimney, the first two words were most likely to be ‘Dear Santa’,†Tony said.

The best guess is that the message was sent by a unit in the middle of an operation in Europe which was on the move and so unable to stop and set up the aerial for a traditional wireless message.

It remains possible it could have been some kind of training exercise though – even perhaps for D-Day.

Secret to grave


GCHQ is on the lookout for any help in discovering the kind of contextual information that could aid the process by identifying the sender or recipient.

Based on the abbreviation of Sjt in the message, it is thought this was most likely an Army unit, since this is where the old fashioned spelling of Sergeant was used. But so far “Sjt W Stot†and X02 have not been identified.

Another avenue is trying to identify the unit to which the pigeons referred to in the message were assigned.

Some 250,000 pigeons were used during the war by all services and each was given an identity number. There are two pigeon identification numbers in the message – NURP.40.TW.194 and NURP.37.OK.76. It is unclear which one relates to the bird in the chimney.

Help from the public is the best hope for any breakthrough.

“There are still quite a lot of people alive who worked in communications centres during the war and who might have some knowledge about this and it would be very interesting if anyone did have information if they could put it in the pot and we could see if we could get any further with it,†explains Tony.

And without fresh information this pigeon may well have taken its secret to the grave.

The message reads:

AOAKN HVPKD FNFJW YIDDC

RQXSR DJHFP GOVFN MIAPX

PABUZ WYYNP CMPNW HJRZH

NLXKG MEMKK ONOIB AKEEQ

WAOTA RBQRH DJOFM TPZEH

LKXGH RGGHT JRZCQ FNKTQ

KLDTS FQIRW AOAKN 27 1525/6
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wow pretty cool
so would this pigeon be concidered missing in action or as a deserter...lol well he didn't get to where he was suppose to...lol
i hope they find someone still alive that knew about this be interesting to find out what is really says
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I was wondering if this was real or just a hoax.

Try reading this supposed information on the code ... http://www.scottishlegionnews.com/ma...n-carrier.html

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Well there's always the possibility that anything might be a hoax. Roswell, Hooben's Maus and E100....

Here's the original BBC post. Wouldn't be the first time major news carriers get taken in...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20456782

and Time..

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/11/27/...war-ii-pigeon/

So far nothing on Snopes but then again Snopes isn't as unbiased as one would hope.

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This may not help, but it's worth a try ....... Post a message that says you are having problems with your water supply system and see what happens ........It worked once before.
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<div style="margin-left: 40px;">Yea! Where is Joe Rochefort when we need him????</div>
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is it not decripted in the navajo code the us used in world war two ... who's saying the allies had not used it either
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Interesting stuff, but likely no one will ever really be 100% certain what the message actually said, even if someone were to possibly get it right some day.

If the assumption the GCHQ has made, that a one-time pad was used during encryption is correct, seems cracking the code will likely be an impossibility.

The below website (Royal Pigeon Racing Association / RPRA) has a great breakdown of the code for what some Canadian claimed the message may have said, letter by letter, as well as the response from the GCHQ after supposedly receiving the proposed solution.

http://www.rpra.org/are-we-closer-to-cracking-the-code/

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<header><h1>Are we closer to cracking the code?</h1><aside class="post-meta"><ul> <li class="post-date">18 December 2012[/list]</aside></header>

The mystery of the secret code carried by a World War 2 carrier pigeonfound dead in a chimney in Surrey continues to generate widespread interest and discussion.</p>

Gord Young, Editor of Lakefield Heritage Research in Ontario, Canada, contacted the RPRA with a possible solution, based on World War 1 Artillery Coding. Mr Young said &ldquo;We have been able to unravelthe so-called &ldquo;unbreakable&rdquo; code of the pigeon remains in the chimney from WW2&hellip;.and, its &ldquo;signal box&rdquo;. The message is indeed breakable, this is what we have found so far.</p>

We have assumed that the &ldquo;Z&rdquo; is the same as the WW1 Artillery Code in which &ldquo;Z&rdquo; was indicating &ldquo;smoke shells&rdquo; fired by batteries. ["Z" here could be "batteries"]. The British would have landed in Sector A to Sector C. The Yanks to the west would have landed somewhere in Sector D to Sector F. That is what prompts the Acronym, YIDDC -Yanks Infantry Division [now in] Direct Contact [with the British]</p>



AOAKN
&ndash; Artillery Observer At &ldquo;K&rdquo; Sector, Normandy
RQXSR &ndash; Requested [Head] Quarters Supplement Report
PABLIZ &ndash; Panzer Attack &ndash; Blitz
NLXKG &ndash; Now loading [e] X [tra] {sector] &ldquo;K&rdquo; Guns
WAOTA &ndash; West Artillery Observer Tracking Attack
LKXGH &ndash; Lt. Knows [e] X [tra] Guns [are] Here
KLDTS &ndash; Know [where] Local Dispatch Station [is]
HVPKD &ndash; Have Panzer &ldquo;K&rdquo; [sector] Determined
DJHFP &ndash; Determined Jerry&rsquo;s Headquarters Front Posts
RBQRH &ndash; Right Battery [Head] Quarters Right Here
FQIRW &ndash; Found [head] Quarters Infantry Right Here
FNFJW &ndash; Final Note [confirming] Found Jerry&rsquo;s Whereabouts
GOVFN &ndash; Go Over Field Notes [this is the same short form as WW-1] Stott is asking UK to compare this note to his &ldquo;drop note&rdquo; and his &ldquo;noon note&rdquo;
CMPNW &ndash; Counter Measures [against] Panzers Not Working
DJOFM &ndash; could be &ldquo;Determined Jerry&rsquo;s Other Field Mortars
JRZCQ &ndash; Jerry&rsquo;s Right Battery Central [Head]Quarters [here]
AOAKN &ndash; Artillery Observer at &ldquo;K&rsquo;-sector, Normandy Stott is confirming he sent the above information to UK&rsquo;s XO2 operator and not the Jerrys
YIDDC &ndash; Yanks Infantry Division [now in] Direct Contact
MIAPX &ndash; Mortar, Infantry Attack Panzers [e]X [tra] Stott is probably telling England that they are attacking Panzers separated from the main body of tanks ?
HJRZH &ndash; Hit Jerry&rsquo;s Right [or Reserve] Battery Here [orHeadquarters]
AKEEQ &ndash; Already Know Electrical Engineers [head] Quarters
TPZEH &ndash; Troops, Panzers, Batteries, Engineers, Here
FNKTO &ndash; Final Note Known To [head]Quarters [here implied]</p>

[Sent] 27 / 1526 / 6 [June 27th @ 1526 hours or 3:26pm]. He used two pigeons to send his copies that afternoon: NURP 40TW 194 and NURP 37 OK 76.</p>



It&rsquo;s a guess, a simple guess, but suspect that Stott was dropped about 5-6am and reported to the UK that he was down and safe with his pigeons. His next message with two pigeons would have been about noon, and now this is his afternoon report. He would get one more off about supper-time and, in an emergency situation, one before sundown.</p>

This seems to be the man who sent the message: STOTT, WILLIAM
Rank:Fusilier
Service No:3454758
Date of Death:08/07/1944
Age:27
Regiment/Service:Lancashire Fusiliers 2/5th Bn.
Grave Reference: II. C. 3.
Cemetery:RANVILLE WAR CEMETERY
Additional Information: Son of James and Jane Stott, of Hooley Bridge, Heywood, Lancashire</p>

If so, then his message of June 27th would mean he lived only a few more weeks.&rdquo;</p>

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The RPRA forwarded this possible solution to GCHQ who replied,<span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">
</span><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">&ldquo;Thank you for your email and the information contained with it regarding a proposed solution for the coded message found on the pigeon skeleton.</span></p>

<span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">Our experts are satisfied that the pigeon-borne message assumed to have been sent during the Second World War cannot be decoded without access to the original cryptographic material.</span></p>

<span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">During the war, the methods used to encode messages naturally needed to be as secure as possible and various methods were used. The senders would often have specialist codebooks in which each code group of four or five letters had a meaning relevant to a specific operation, allowing much information to be sent in a short message. For added security, the code groups could then themselves be encrypted using, for example, a one-time pad.</span></p>

<span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">The message found at Bletchingley had 27 five-letter code groups, and the GCHQ experts believe its contents are consistent with this method.</span></p>

<span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">This means that without access to the relevant codebooks and details of any additional encryption used, it will remain impossible to decrypt.</span></p>

<span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">Of course it is also impossible to verify any proposed solutions, but those put forward without reference to the original cryptographic material are unlikely to be correct.&rdquo;</span></p>


This statement is backed up by the Bletchley Park Trust, whose representative said,<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">
</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">&ldquo;Thanks for sending the decrypt &amp; keeping me posted.I&rsquo;m afraid the suggestion put forward cannot be verified, just like the partial suggestions both we &amp; GCHQ have received. Please see [the]statement from GCHQ, which Iecho on behalf of the Bletchley Park Trust.&rdquo;</span></p>
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Could be true, could be a coincidence that looks true, could be completely wrong.<div>
</div><div>Makes for a good read though.</div>
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"And Bletchley became a station to decode German and Japanese messages..."

Something about Bletchey Park and Enigma history ...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...MPs-claim.html

" (...)To many, the name Bletchley Park is synonymous with code-breaking glory by the British during World War Two.After all, it was there that Englishman Alan Turing and his team of mathematicians cracked the ciphers of the Nazis' Enigma machine - a feat credited with shortening the war by two years. But now, the Polish Government has launched a campaign to highlight the important - and overlooked - role played by its nation in solving the Enigma code.

In 1932, a group of cryptologists from the Polish Cipher Bureau - Marian Rejewski, Jerzy Rozycki and Henryk Zygalski - discovered three ways of deciphering Enigma readings.Seven years later, just before war broke out, the Poles handed over their knowledge of the Enigma codes, as well as Polish-built replicas of the machines, to British and French Intelligence officers near Warsaw.

(...) The film Enigma (made in 2001), starring Kate Winslet and set at Bletchley, has also upset the Poles - it not only downplays their contribution but also, the only Pole in the film is a traitor....(...) "


The Enigma History
http://enigma.umww.pl/index.php?page=history

" The Enigma = puzzle. A human can&rsquo;t even image it.
&ldquo;Enigma&rdquo; &ndash; comes from Greek &ldquo;ainigma&rdquo; &ndash; &ldquo;puzzle&rdquo;. This is how the German engineer Arthur Scherbius called an electro-mechanical cipher machine constructed by himself and produced by him since 1918 in a factory Scherbius &amp; Ritter which was set up together with Richard Ritter. The machine which was initially exploited for commercial purposes over time was put into use in state institutions of many countries. The 1st World War proved that traditional, manual cipher methods became impractical. In contrast to a human who makes mistakes, the machine guaranteed speed, infallibility and security of encrypting and reading out of messages. Therefore, the Enigma was also applied by the Reichswehr and later, during the 2nd World War, was exploited by Wehrmacht. Scherbius&rsquo;s machine which could generate the unimaginable number of combinations surpassed everything that cryptologists had met with by then.
(...)
As a matter of fact, instead of saying that the &ldquo;Enigma was cracked&rdquo; it should be said that the &ldquo;Enigma was being cracked&rdquo;. The Germans were introducing further changes to improve construction of the machine and methods of its exploitation, therefore works on methods of quick breaking of keys to ciphers were being carried out on a continuous basis. In 1935 the Polish mathematicians were the first to set a machine supporting decryption, called a cyclometer, against the cipher machine. Additionally, in 1938 the so-called &ldquo;Rejewski bomb&rdquo; was built and the so-called &ldquo;Zygalski sheets&rdquo; i.e. sheets of paper with holes in places where the Enigma&rsquo;s cipher showed a specific property were another invention. After superimposing several sheets, they could find a valid, on a particular day, key to a cipher. Simultaneously with works of the Polish cryptologists there was a race of military theoreticians to work out rules under which the war was supposed to develop.
(....)
Over time it turned out that the Polish mathematicians were waging a lone war with the Enigma&rsquo;s ciphers. In January 1939 in Paris a British-French-Polish meeting of cryptologists was held. A commander of the Polish Cipher Bureau, Colonel Gwido Langer, together with the second-in-command Ciężki went to France with instructions on revealing the success only if the partners had proved to be similarly advanced in attack on the Enigma. Since the British and the French knew nearly nothing about the machine, the Polish officers kept silent encountering a disrespectful attitude from the main cryptologist of the British government agency &ndash; Dillwyn Knox. When the war was closer, Langer and Ciężki obtained consent of the Polish Armed Forces commanders to disclose the revelation to the Allies. A meeting in July in a secret centre of radio intelligence in Pyry near Warsaw abounded in emotions. The French showed grievance and the British ostentatious indifference. However, Rejewski with colleagues kept presence of mind systematically demonstrating mathematical foundations, rules on reconstruction of machines and cracking of keys as well as details on a structure of the decryption devices built by them. Finally, before the observers&rsquo; eyes they deciphered a new-received message. The two delegations were granted a copy of the machine and a full set of documentation on methods of decryption.
(...)
After an escape from the invaded country, a majority of the Polish team of cryptologists went to France where on 17 January 1940 for the first time during the war the Polish mathematicians cracked the Enigma&rsquo;s cipher. However, a burden of the events connected with the Enigma gradually moved to the Great Britain, to the cryptology centre in the Bletchley Park. The authors of the breakthrough were sidetracked. In 1943 some members of the team of the Cipher Bureau were captured by the Germans after being betrayed by the French. They experienced tragedy of the prisoner of war camps and concentration camps. However, even under such circumstances they kept for the Allies the secret of breaking the Enigma&rsquo;s ciphers.
(...)
Meanwhile, since autumn in 1939 the information delivered directly before the war by the Polish mathematicians was being put into practice in the Great Britain. Finally, the British noticed the sense in recruitment of mathematicians. On 4 September 1939 a gate of the centre in the Bletchley Park was crossed by Alan Turing and the &ldquo;bomb&rdquo; built by him became the main tool for breaking the Enigma. The Polish mathematicians who shared their secret without any preconditions became needless and although the importance of the Polish mathematicians&rsquo; contribution was after several years beautifully recognised by Professor John Irving Good who regarded one of the theorems formulated by Rejewski during a pioneering attack on the Enigma&rsquo;s cipher as the &ldquo;theorem which won the 2nd World War&rdquo;, Rejewski and Zygalski learnt about activities of the centre in the Bletchley Park not earlier than thirty years after the war. In May 1945 after being freed from captivity and arriving in London, also Langer and Ciężki were given the cold shoulder. They died embittered, poor and lonely. (...) "

Enigma 3D project instructions
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Enigma 3D project dowload /written in Blender 3D/
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Enigma 3D project instructions in pdf /Polish version/
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It says, 'Drink Your Ovaltine'.

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